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why is my tach input tied to gnd? 1400xpl


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bloodvette 
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Posted: January 21, 2010 at 3:40 PM / IP Logged  

I bought an 05 Ford F150 through an auction and I find there's an python 1400XPL auto starter installed. the starter is acting very peculiar in that when i command a start from the remote it will only work if it has been recently running. I thought it was related to cold weather, but even on a warm day if the truck was not running in the last hour or so, then it will not flash the lights or attempt to start. I tried unplugging the relay satellite and the immobilizer bypass individually and in both cases, the lights do flash but of course it does not start. (this test done after a recent run and remote start functions with modules plugged in.) It is acting like the hood pin is grounding becuase this is how it acts with the hood open. so i followed the hood pin wire to the firewall where i was expecting an exposed wire but not the case. and i taped it up there just to be sure. but i noticed there is a second wire going through the grommet, a purple wire. and it is tied to the hoodpin ALSO. I traced back this wire to the tach input on the python module. Could the tach sense wire be feeding a gnd into the hood pin wire causing this????? once it's cooled down and I prove a no start condition, i will cut the purple wire but i must be ready to shut it down in the event that i have made a mistake and the motor keeps cranking.

any thoughts?

john

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John,
That is strange. Be sure it's actually the tach wire. The tach wire should be Violet/White on that system. The problem is that there are a couple of solid purple wires on the system. Also, verify the color at the brain. The purple could just be a wire extension. Either way, it could definitely interfere with the hood pin operation. Go ahead and disconnect it to test. Just stay in the driver's seat so you can press the brake pedal for emergency shut down if needed. Hope this helps.
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Posted: January 21, 2010 at 4:22 PM / IP Logged  

If the tach wire is connected to the hood pin AND the system is set to tach monitoring the system will never start. 

The remote start monitors the tach signal not only when cranking but also when running.  If the tach wire is always grounded or always open the system will shut down after X seconds (when cranking or when running). 

I would do like mentioned above and verify it wasn't a wire extension.  I would also check the programming - I bet it's set to voltage if there is no visible tach connection.

Does the truck have to actually start within the hour or can you simply turn the igntion on and then back off?  It almost sounds like it's a sleep issue but they don't typically affect remote starting (that I've seen).

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Posted: January 21, 2010 at 4:42 PM / IP Logged  
i confirmed that the pruple wire is not just an extension. I openned up the electrical tape and noticed that it is NOT connected to the wire. that throws that entire theory out the window. then i tried and noticed that it would not start with the hood open (which is proper) and it just so happened that it began to fail infront of my very eyes, after closing the hood, i tried the remote start, and it started but died immediately, i tried 2 more times in which it acted the same, and the third time it started to do it- not start that is. i tried the button a few more times, confirmed that it is not flashing the lights, not attempting a start, then i openned the hood, pushed the pin down with my fingers and tried and it started. this pointed directly at a faulty hood pin. i noticed the installer maxed out the adjustable height of the hood pin, but at that it only slightly depresses the hood pin as the hood closes. i wrapped a tape ball around the top of the hood pin (as a mechanical extension) and closed the hood. It worked fine for the next consecutive starts. I'm going to wait for a bit (since it was actually running) to confirm that this has fixed it. I'll shim it up with some washers. So i think I have it. I'm guessing the heat from the motor was migrating into the area of the hood pin, heat expands the switch, or metal or whatever just bringing the switch a litle further from the contact. and that is my theory right now.
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Posted: January 21, 2010 at 11:37 PM / IP Logged  
Glad to hear it'll be a simple fix. Was also likely a vibration issue where the pin switch would temporarily ground out while cranking.
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bloodvette 
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update- remote starter has been working perfectly since the adjustment. problem confirmed to be the hoodpin switch. What are the odds that the hood pin was so close to being depressed, that temperature was the deciding factor. oh well, lesson learned- never rule anything out !!

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