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deadeye0909 
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Posted: August 12, 2011 at 8:06 PM / IP Logged  
Greetings folks,
I thought I'd be a good boyfriend and get my girlfriend a remote starter for her 2002 Subaru Impreza WRX. So I bought a Viper 5701 online and had a friend of my brother do the install.
She brought the car in for servicing (completely unrelated) shortly after, and she gets a call telling her that her car automatically drove forward and hit two other vehicles. We found out then that her starter would start while it was in gear.
The odd thing is that it does recognize that the parking brake is engaged (it won't actually start with it disengaged), and the clutch override is installed properly (otherwise the remote starter wouldn't turn over at all), but for some reason it just starts as long as the parking brake is on.
This and the fact that I can't properly go through the Manual Transmission Start sequence (when I get out of the car, the engine just runs and runs and never turns off and arms the security system) makes me think that the installer couldn't get the MTS to engage properly, so he just put the starter in "Automatic" mode and thought we wouldn’t notice. I could be wrong, but I wanted to see if I could put it back into "Manual Transmission" mode, or if it was in that mode already.
Problem is, I've been searching all day, read every manual on the 5701 and couldn't find any actual instructions on how to switch the modes. There are hundreds of references to these two modes, but nobody actually posted how to do it. One fellow made a pretty good reference (on this site's forum actually), but it referred to a "Valet Switch" and this system doesn't have that. I just have the remote key fob, and an on/off toggle switch under the dash for the remote starter.
I was just wondering if anyone happens to know how to switch the starter modes with the remote key module, or has a link to a manual with instructions on how to, I would really appreciate it. We've been stuck with this issue for a few months, and nobody in town will even look at a Viper system that was installed by someone else. Of course, the fellow who originally installed it won't return my calls or e-mails after he found out that the vehicle damaged two other cars.
I'm regretting this "gift", but I would really appreciate some help on at least making sure that she can start her car in the cold without the risk of running anyone over.
Thanks,
kreg357 
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Posted: August 12, 2011 at 9:00 PM / IP Logged  

Here is a link to the Viper guide :  https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/file.asp?ID=711    See page 2.

For more info on how to properly install a remote start system into a manual transmission Subaru try a PM to fellow member JWorm.  He has done many using the vehicles ECM NSS output.

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KPierson 
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Posted: August 13, 2011 at 11:27 AM / IP Logged  
This is the difference between a friend of your brother working on your car and paying a professional to do it the right way.
Who is paying for the damage? I would imagine the shop will hit your insurance and I wouldn't be surprised if your insurance goes after your brothers friend.
Kevin Pierson
deadeye0909 
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Posted: August 14, 2011 at 10:55 PM / IP Logged  
kreg357 thank you so much for that manual! I've been trying to find instructions like these for such a long time! You're a life saver.
But the instructions refer to a "valet switch". I've looked through the manuals and found this:
"The LED and valet switch are incorporated into the control center the LED line will plug into the white 2 pin port and the Valet switch line will plug into the blue 2 pin port."
I'm not really great with car electronics, so does this mean that the valet switch is on the starter module under the dash? Is it an external switch that the installer may not have wired up? What sort of switch am I looking for?
KPierson, I know it's probably better to find a professional to do the job, but I apparently can't find a professional. I had my car broken into and they ripped out my complete stereo system. I purchased the XM module at Future Shop so the insurance company told me to go there to buy a new one and get it installed. So their "professional" installed my XM module, and as I'm driving away from the shop, an electrical fire starts under my dash, frying my electrical system (while filling my cab with smoke as I'm driving down the highway). My insurance claim started looking like the script to Inception because of that fire (fried my onboard computer, my speakers have never sounded the same since, etc).....an insurance claim inside an insurance claim.......get it?
As for the insurance at the dealer, what happened is that the teenager that they had driving cars up to the service desk tried finding the car by mashing his gloves (this occurred last winter) on every button on the remote, which started the car and caused the collisions. Right away the manager started yelling at my girlfriend saying it was her fault and she would have to pay for all repairs, etc. She left her insurance information with the dealer for the other vehicle owners and she called her insurance company to find out what to do. They said that she had signed her car over to the dealer and she had yet to accept it, so it was their responsibility, and it looked like an open/shut claim to them. That was a relief to us, but the friggin dealer gave our HOME CONTACT INFO to the other vehicle owner's insurance companies so they started harassing us directly! Needless to say, we don't go there anymore for servicing.
deadeye0909 
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Posted: August 14, 2011 at 11:35 PM / IP Logged  
Crud. Ok, I just found this in the "What is included" portion of the user manual:
■ Control center (installed out of sight on your vehicle) with
integrated status LED and Valet override switch
So it's a switch on the module. I'll have to track it down. Man, I hope he mounted it in an easy to access location...
deadeye0909 
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Posted: August 15, 2011 at 6:44 PM / IP Logged  
Ok, I'm sad to say that it took me this long to realize that when they say "Control Center" they mean antenna. Found the antenna mounted on the windshield, so I was able to go through the process of making sure it was set up for a manual transmission.
I followed the steps to program the module for manual transmission:
Step 1: Open car door.
Step 2: Cycle ignition key ON then OFF. Do the next step within 10 seconds.
Step 3: Press and hold valet switch until LED flashes 3 times (siren chirps 3 times), then release.
Step 4: Press and release valet switch once then press and hold. Siren chirps once.
Step 5: While still holding the valet switch, press LOCK button of transmitter. Siren chirps once.
Step 6: Release valet switch. Cycle ignition key ON then OFF.
but when I got to step 5 when it says to hit the lock button, it chirps twice, not once (the instructions say it will chirp once). So I thought it still might have worked and I tried to go through the steps of arming the system for remote start for a manual transmission (MTS):
1. Put the transmission in neutral.
2. Press on the vehicle’s foot brake.
3. Apply the emergency brake.
4. Release the vehicle’s foot brake.
Note: Pressing the brake again after this step will disable the
remote start feature.
5. Within 15 seconds activate the remote start from the remote.
6. The parking lights will flash confirming that the remote start is
active.
7. Turn off the ignition (the car should stay running when key is
turned off).
8. Exit the vehicle.
9. Arm the alarm (the vehicle should shut off when arming the
system).
The parking lights never flashed for me (confirming that the remote start is active) and when I got out of the vehicle and armed the alarm (step 9) the vehicle just kept running. Of course, as usual, the vehicle will still start whenever the ignition button on the remote is pressed.
If anyone has any suggestions as to what might be going on, I would appreciate anything.
Thanks,

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