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tm7323 
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Posted: April 14, 2012 at 11:55 AM / IP Logged  
I installed a remote starter and hooked it up to the factory keyless entry. It starts the car by pressing the lock button twice on the factory keyless fob. But the problem is, the car will also start if I sit inside the car and press the power lock button twice. How do I wire it so that the car starts only when the fob is pressed?
RS has an activation input(-) and starts the car when it gets 2 -ive pulses. I connected the lock motor wire(+) thru a relay to the activation input of the RS. The lock motor wire gets a 12v when fob is pressed or when the power lock is pressed from inside the car. That's why car starts pressing lock button inside the car
I have noticed the Power Lock - Brown (-) get a -ive pulse only when power lock button is pressed, not when keyless fob is pressed. Is there a way to wire up so the activation input get a -ive pulse only when lock motor wire has +ive and power lock wire has nothing NOT when lock motor wire has + and power lock has -ive.
Thanks for your help
wiring diagram for 97 pathfinder: here
RS manual: here
howie ll 
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Top of my head disconnect either the lock button or the lock trigger wire from the lock button.
Or remember not to press the lock button twice!
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Posted: April 14, 2012 at 7:21 PM / IP Logged  
Are you good with relays and/or diodes? You could probably make something so that pressing the lock button would also trigger one of the safety-shutdown inputs of the remote starter.
Now that I think of it, try something super-easy. Did you install a hood pinswitch? Probably not, right?
Anyway, take that negative lock wire that comes off the switch on the door, and connect the remote starter's hoodpin input right to that. You shouldn't need any diode or relay or anything---just splice it right in.
So then, every time you hit lock on the door panel, you're also grounding the hood input of the remote starter, so it won't come on.
Only abnormal thing is that if you already remote started the car from your OEM remote, but then you get near the car and press the lock button, now the starter is going to shut off.
itsyuk 
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looks like this might be your factory schematic.remote starter and power locks -- posted image.

yuk
quiet rural missouri, near KC.
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itsyuk 
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Posted: April 14, 2012 at 9:06 PM / IP Logged  

looks like the RKE is the lock relay....

SO....

add a 451M downstream from the RKEand have the door switches trigger it's little blue and green wires exclusively.........THEN ..... have the RKE flow through it (terminals 87a would go to RKE).

i think this will work.....

yuk
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tm7323 
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Chris Luongo wrote:
Are you good with relays and/or diodes? You could probably make something so that pressing the lock button would also trigger one of the safety-shutdown inputs of the remote starter.
Now that I think of it, try something super-easy. Did you install a hood pinswitch? Probably not, right?
Anyway, take that negative lock wire that comes off the switch on the door, and connect the remote starter's hoodpin input right to that. You shouldn't need any diode or relay or anything---just splice it right in.
So then, every time you hit lock on the door panel, you're also grounding the hood input of the remote starter, so it won't come on.
Only abnormal thing is that if you already remote started the car from your OEM remote, but then you get near the car and press the lock button, now the starter is going to shut off.
connecting to the hood pin will be the easy way. I have it connected to Yellow/Blue (-) on the keyless entry module. Can i connect both wires (power lock wire and hood trigger wire) together to the RS or do i need a diode?
Also does adding an extra relay after the lock motor negative conversion, before going to the RS activation input will work?
basically relay2 will be constant on but breaks when it gets a trigger from pwr lock button.
like this
lock motor(+) -> 5pinrelay1 pin 86 , pin 85 & 30 Grnd, pin 87(-) instead of going RS activation input connect to 5pinrelay2 pin 30, pin 87a goes to RS activation input, pin 85 12v(+) and pin 86 to pwr lock brown wire. will this work and won't cause any damage to the circuits?

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