viper 5904 in prelude pkall module?

My first post, well as stated in title i have viper 5904 color screen viper alarm system. Well i went to downtown l.a to try to get my system installed, i mentioned to the installer i want remote start. The installer said i need a module, he offered to sell me a directed electronics module that enables remote start but the catch to it is i will have to have my honda dealership chipped key inside the module at all times and use my spare key with no chip to use for cranking the the ignition...which I do not like the idea of that at all.. I was hoping that i can have remote start as well as still have my one and only chipped key to function as it does now. Just to clarify, what it does now is if i try to use a spare key (grey) to start my car it will not, i can only start it with my chipped key (black).. The installer said if i want remote start then i have to have my black chipped key in the car attached to the module at all times.. and i use my grey key to crank the ignition... I dont like that at all and i feel like going that path i will be increasing a defense which is alarm but decreasing a denfensice which is pretty much elimiating the immobilizer ignite to only accept my one black chipped key. im feeling like anyone can just take a key and start my car since the chipped one will always be inside... So then i searched and found the PKALL module.. details say no attached key is required... so does that mean I will still be able to function my car the way i do now meaning only my black chipped key will be accepted and no others? Im confused... And im getting my alarm system installed tomorrow.. but i told him i dont wnat to module i want the alarm but i dont want remote start... afterwards he finishes the install i want to get remote start but i will only put it if i can still have my immobilizer anti theft thingy working the way it does now where ONLY MY BLACK KEY can drank the ignition... Man hard to explain i hope u guys can help.,,..

the car is a 98 prelude

ok i noticed a lot of typos on that last sentence.. Well in approximately 8 hours I am getting my viper 5904 alarm installed.. He said for 80 bucks he will install the alarm, basically everything that came in box... so im guessing that means ill have a siren alarm whenever shock sensor is disturbed and ability to unlock and lock my car from remote, correct? I want remote start but so new to this and unsure how to get it setup the way i want... the way i want it set up is having remote start and still having oem anti theft security enabled meaning.. only my chipped key can turn the ignition to operate vehicle not a non chipped duplicate..

The PKALL bypass module does not require a working key to be left in the vehicle.  The PKALL only enters

the picture when a remote start is requested, the rest of the time the vehicle works exactly as it leftthe factory.  ( You would still need a working chipped key to start the vehicle.)  The installers methodwould have the chipped key in the car ( hidden ) bypassing the transponder immobilizer all the time,allowing any plain key ( or screwdriver ) to start the car.  Not the best plan and your insurance companymight not pay off if the car was stolen...

However, you need two working, non-clone, keys to program the PKALL bypass module to the vehicle.  That is

why the Install Tech suggested the "key-in-the-box" DEI 556UW setup.  That's the catch with the bypass module offerings from Directed, both the PKALL and the XK05 w/PKH1 firmware require two working keys for programming.  In your case, I would use a bypass module like the iDatalink ADS TB flashed with ADS TB PR firmware or a Fortin EVO-CAN.  Either of these modules only require one key for programming. 

Link to Fortin EVO-CAN :  https://ifar.ca/en/products/evo/evo-can/

Link to iDatalink ADS TB : http://www.idatalink.com/product/product/product_id/28

Ask your installer if he is an iDatalink dealer ( for the ADS TB module ) or if he can obtain a Fortin

EVO-CAN bypass module.  You could even get the EVO-CAN from an "on-line" seller as it comes pre-loadedwith the correct firmware.

Good luck with the new system.

Soldering is fun!

kreg357 wrote: The PKALL bypass module does not require a working key to be left in the vehicle.  The PKALL only enters the picture when a remote start is requested, the rest of the time the vehicle works exactly as it left the factory.  ( You would still need a working chipped key to start the vehicle.)  The installers method would have the chipped key in the car ( hidden ) bypassing the transponder immobilizer all the time, allowing any plain key ( or screwdriver ) to start the car.  Not the best plan and your insurance company might not pay off if the car was stolen... However, you need two working, non-clone, keys to program the PKALL bypass module to the vehicle.  That is why the Install Tech suggested the "key-in-the-box" DEI 556UW setup.  That's the catch with the bypass module offerings from Directed, both the PKALL and the XK05 w/PKH1 firmware require two working keys for programming.  In your case, I would use a bypass module like the iDatalink ADS TB flashed with ADS TB PR firmware or a Fortin EVO-CAN.  Either of these modules only require one key for programming.  Link to Fortin EVO-CAN :  https://ifar.ca/en/products/evo/evo-can/ Link to iDatalink ADS TB : http://www.idatalink.com/product/product/product_id/28 Ask your installer if he is an iDatalink dealer ( for the ADS TB module ) or if he can obtain a Fortin EVO-CAN bypass module.  You could even get the EVO-CAN from an "on-line" seller as it comes pre-loaded with the correct firmware. Good luck with the new system.

Ok but hmm you kinda confused me though on how you first stated that PKALL doesnt require working key left inside... and that id still have to have my chipped key to move car. << seems kinda like what i want. than you said PKALL isnt really what i want because it needs two working keys??? and datalink evo can require only 1 working key... What exactly does that mean? Just to add... I have TWO dealership honda keys.. ONE GREY and ONE BLACK. the grey one is non chipped and will only open the doors/trunk. The black one is chipped and will only start vehicle.

It means the black key is the one used to programme the FORTIN module and then you use the black key as you use it now. The grey key isn't relevant for our purposes. For safety you should still have two working keys. also $80 for an install?? Much too cheap. Does a US model 98 Prelude even have a transponder immobiliser?

Sorry for the confusion.  I'll try to clarify...  ( and add to Howard input - I'm a slow typist...)

The PKALL is a "no key required" bypass module.  That means that after it is installed, programmed and working

properly, there will be no key left inside the car.  The key(s) that was/were needed to program the PKALL to the car will be returned to you.  That is just what you want.  However, to program the PKALL to be accepted by the car during remote start-up, the XPressKit WEB site indicates that two working keys are required.  Here is a link :  http://www.xpresskit.com/VehicleCompatibility.aspx?src=vs1&p=null&year=1998&make=Honda&model=Prelude&ps=1&s=0&c=0 But, looking at the actual install guide and programming section 5A it shows it as programming to the car with only one key ( gotta love DEI...)  Here is a link to the PKALL install guide for you car.  http://www.xpresskit.com/DocumentDownload.aspx?documentid=6111&productid=196&firmwareid=1636A re-cap :1. The PKALL is wired up and installed into the car ( with the Viper 5904 ).2. One working key is used to program the PKALL to be accepted ( as another key ) by the car during remote start-up.3. After successful install, programming and testing the working key is no longer needed and is returned to you.   The PKALL electronically fakes out the car into thinking a valid transponder chip is in the ignition switch.

Going by the install guide, you should be OK using the PKALL and having only one working key ( to program it ).

The extra info about the EVO-CAN and ADS TB is not really necessary if the PKALL is what you want and can be

programmed with just one key. 

Soldering is fun!

howie ll wrote: It means the black key is the one used to programme the FORTIN module and then you use the black key as you use it now. The grey key isn't relevant for our purposes. For safety you should still have two working keys. also $80 for an install?? Much too cheap. Does a US model 98 Prelude even have a transponder immobiliser?

Ya 80 bucks just for basic install viper 5904... I want remote start, but I want my black key with chip to be the only key able to operate my car.. Pkall is what I need?