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Pursuit PRO9233N and Dealer Car Alarms


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clevor 
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Posted: July 11, 2013 at 12:57 PM / IP Logged  

I will be picking up a 2013 Mustang soon and have been contemplating an alarm system. The dealer can have a local installer install a Pursuit Pro9233N for $350. I understand the dealers like this alarm since it integrates with the factory key remote. Is this unit anygood? It seems to be a basic shock sensor/starter disable/door pin alarm, nothing fancy. My questions are:

1. Does this alarm module have additional sensor ports for tilt and motion sensors?

2. It allows a GPS add-on accessory but it costs $250. The dealer installer said they cannot add on the accessory. Audiovox claims the install is difficult and must be done by an authorized dealer (yeah right). I notice there are no installation material over the web for the 9233n so we can see what is going on here.

3. Am I better off going with a Viper or Python system, which probably offers several sensor ports and more flexibility, but the units themselves will cost around $300 and I have to add the installation costs.

4. Is a starter disable feature necessary on these modern key immobilizer cars??? You can't start them anyway w/o the key. It would only help if someone stole the key and tried to start the car?

5. Is a noisemaker alarm even worth it on a key immobilizer car??? They say the only way to steal the car is to tow it.

6. Does any installer actually solder wires in??? Almost everybody uses crimp-on connectors for speed. Are they adequate? I hear horror stories that cars are never the same again after an aftermarket alarm is installed, e.g., electrical problems, etc.

I might add the main things I'm interested in on an alarm is a tilt sensor and motion sensor to supplement the key immobilizer. I don't want shock sensors that go off accidentally. What is the best route to go?

howie ll 
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Viper 3303 with an optional dual zone proximity but that's my opinion.
Longer range and if correctly installed and set up, the remote will tell you what's going on.
As to your comment about soldering, EVERY PRO WILL ONLY JOIN WIRES BY THAT METHOD.
In fact here in the UK we are only allowed to solder.
Chris Luongo 
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Posted: July 12, 2013 at 8:16 AM / IP Logged  
I've been installing Audiovox units for around 12 years now, working for a car-dealer expeditor, and I know the 9233 very well.
1: It has a single port for the shock sensor, and the shock sensor is included with the unit. There are no other sensor ports.
A good installer can splice additional sensor(s) into the shock sensor wiring if he knows how, but the 9233N also offers a couple of hardwired inputs for trunk opening, and I think maybe one more.
So at any rate, to answer your question more simply: There's only one plug-in sensor port, which will already be occupied by the shock sensor, but a competent installer could add more.
2: Installing dealer "cannot" add the accessory? That's weird. Maybe they don't stock it or don't want to order it, as it's not a hot seller it seems.
The part in question is the ASCL2, also called CarLink. There is an older ASCL1, but it does not have GPS tracking.
Installation isn't difficult, but Audiovox publishes horrendously written literature that neither the professional nor amateur can understand. So that part would certainly slow you down.
The ASCL2 simply plugs into the 9233, with two more wires you would have to connect to power and ground on your own. (Yes, they were too stupid to design the thing to just get power/ground where it plugs into the alarm.)
The ASCL2 comes with one year of basic service, which allows the user to operate the remote starter (which it sound like you won't have), and lock and unlock. You'll also get a text message on your phone if the alarm is triggered.
(The 9233 has outputs to lock and unlock the car, but the installer wouldn't normally connect them; it's not hard to do, but would probably not be free.)
The ASCL2 does have a GPS tracking feature, at an additional cost of $50 per year.
Keep in mind that you could choose any type of GPS tracker you want, it just wouldn't integrate with the alarm like the ASCL2 would.
By the way, you can find Audiovox manuals online if you dig hard enough. techservices.audiovox.com and sign up for a free account. Their search feature is so crappy it doesn't recognize hyphens. Search for PRO9233N and you should find it. There's an older 9232 that's very similar, so if you find that, it's close enough for you to get a general idea.
You'll cringe when you see how wonderfully their documentation is written.
3: Audiovox, Viper, and Python all make good products. I would be more interested in knowing about the installing dealer's reputation, quality of work, and warranty.
4: I've heard different opinions. I think many installers are no longer hooking up the starter kill on immobilizer-equipped cars. If you want it hooked up, might not be a bad idea to say so, just to be sure. The starter kill relay is included with the alarm, and it doesn't take long to connect; you shouldn't be charged any extra for this.
So, the two sides of the story are A: The car is theoretically already impossible to steal, but also B: The starter kill could keep people with access to the keys from stealing the car (children, house burglars who found your keys, et cetera).
5: I wouldn't worry too much about your actual car being stolen. I'd consider the alarm as a deterrent to theft of the contents of the car, and also ask if you get an insurance discount (varies from state to state).
6: There is much debate as to the necessity of soldering, and the reliability and/or appropriateness of insulation-displacement connectors like T-taps and Scotchloks. You could read about that here all day.
I want to be careful what I say here, because I have to defend my profession (working for a car dealer expeditor) as well as giving you a truthful answer.
Most new-car installations done for new-car dealers are what we'd call a "basic installation." As in, the unit should be mounted securely, wires routed neatly, connected to the proper wires in the car, no electrical damage to car, no damage to interior panels in the car, and so forth.
Also, the dealer expeditor works as a partner with the car dealership, and counts on future business. If there were ever a problem, you would just return to the Ford dealer, and you can be sure that the dealer would get the installer back there right away with no runaround or hassles.
So, from that side of things, you can expect an installer who's comfortable working on zero-mile brand-new cars, and probably knows exactly how your car comes apart and goes together, since he's likely worked on dozens before.
On the other hand, like I said, expect a basic install. Should be done neatly and cleanly, but expect the alarm brain to be mounted in an easily accessible location (probably driver underdash or at the car's body computer), with just the basic features hooked up (door trigger, trunk trigger, shock sensor, starter kill).
If you want something that will make noise and flashing lights when someone breaks into the car, insurance discount, peace of mind, and something you can roll into your auto loan, the dealer option should be good.
On the other hand, I can tell by all your questions that you might be the kind of customer who's a little fussier than that. If you want the alarm brain mounted in a hard-to-access location, wires disguised to look like factory, extra accessories like tilt, proximity, battery backup, extra sirens, and so forth.....it will cost quite a bit extra in both parts and labor to get it done this way. It couldn't hurt to shop around some of the retail stores in your area.
clevor 
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Posted: July 12, 2013 at 1:02 PM / IP Logged  

Hey Chris, thanks for the reply.

The thing is, even if the local installer is using the PRO9233N (which I am trying to find out now), if you tamper with the system in any way by (on your own) hooking up the ASCL2 accessory (even though it is plug and play) or adding a tilt and motion detector, wouldn't that void the warrantee??? Can you confirm that it is a limited lifetime warrantee?

As you confirmed, the local installer will only do a basic installation: shock sensor, door/hood/trunk pins, and starter kill. But price is pretty cheap by any standard: $350 and that includes the dealer taking their cut.

I would like to add a motion sensor and tilt sensor, which you can get off Amazon. I found units with good reviews. And I guess I can rely on you to find a power-when-armed wire to tap into :-). I take it one feed wire to each sensor goes to this wire, and there will be a 12 volt and ground to the units.

I think it's best to hold off on the Viper systems. Why aren't they offering any carjacking features? Trouble finding a subscriber source? I think that is coming down the line, so no sense dropping money on a unit now, although the paging system is nice.

And yes, a 2013 Mustang is a bit gaudy in Race Red with Recaro seats, 19" wheels, $350 a piece tires, and 420 HP under the hood, so I am considering an alarm system in case the thieves are stupid enough to try to break in without the key. If I have problems with false alarms on the shock sensor, I hear the Audiovox units are pretty easy to disable totally using valet mode, correct?

Is there a reliable setting on the shock sensor to prevent false alarms but protect against someone breaking the glass or punching in a door lock?


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