no power to radio when using remote start

Hello all, I recently installed a viper 4103xv in my 1989 F150 (go ahead and yuck it up, I like to let this old truck warm up before driving off), the remote start works flawlessly but I noticed today that there is no power to the radio until I turn the key to the ON position. The same holds true when I turn the viper on while the truck is running and pull the key out ("errand mode", for lack of better terms). Frankly it doesn't quite matter as I don't use the radio until I am actually in the truck and turn the ignition on and drive off, however, it's one of those things that is going to bother and pester me and make my OCD flare up. The sytem advertises use of accessory while in remote start mode so I'm curious as to why it doesn't work. Also, I want to ensure that the system is working correctly and not partially which could more than likely lead to some issues down the line. The radio is aftermarket (I bought the truck with the radio already in it). I suspect that it may have something to do with how the radio was wired during installation.

I connected the Vehicle Accessory Wire (+): Gray / YELLOW from the Ignition Switch Harness to the ORANGE (+) OUTPUT TO ACCESSORY CIRCUIT from the system harness as directed.

Before I start fiddling around with the viper and radio wiring I was hoping maybe someone had come across something similar to this and could lend their expertise. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thank you.

Best Regards,

Al

IGNITION 1      RED / LIGHT GREEN (+)      @ IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS      IGNITION 2      BLACK/ LIGHT GREEN (+)      @ IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS ACCESSORY /HEATER BLOWER 1      GRAY / YELLOW (+) Can you list out your connections for us. Are all . Above wires powered up during remote start?If i Can't Install it    I Don't need it   Joe

The following diagram is the one that I used. Items that are "striked through" were not used. Either because they did not apply, or because there was no corresponding wire on the viper system harness to connect to. Also, forgot to mention, this is a manual, I bypassed the clutch safety switch long before I installed this remote start, yes, I'm lazy.    And btw the heater does work while the truck is in remote start mode. The parking lights turn on. Pressing the brake pedal shuts the truck off if the ignition is not in the ON position. Everything else works just fine. Thanks for the reply.

"1989 Ford F150 Remote Start Wiring Diagram

Vehicle Battery Positive Wire (+): Yellow

Vehicle Battery Positive Wire Location: Ignition Switch Harness

Vehicle Ignition Wire (+): RED / Light Green

Vehicle Ignition Wire Location: Ignition Switch Harness

Vehicle Second Ignition Wire (+): N/A

Vehicle Second Ignition Wire Location: N/A

Vehicle Accessory Wire (+): Gray / YELLOW

Vehicle Accessory Wire Location: Ignition Switch Harness

Vehicle Second Accessory Wire (+): N/A

Vehicle Second Accessory Wire Location: N/A

Automobile Engine Starter Wire (+): RED / Light Blue

Automobile Engine Starter Wire Location: Ignition Switch Harness

Automobile Second Engine Starter Wire (-): N/A

Automobile Second Engine Starter Wire Location: N/A

Factory Anti-Theft System: None

Factory Anti-Theft System Type: None

Car Key Sense Wire (-): BLACK/ Pink

Car Key Sense Wire Location: At Steering Column Harness

Car Neutral Safety Wire (+): N/A

Car Neutral Safety Wire Location: N/A

Car Tachometer Wire (-): Dark GREEN/ YELLOW

Car Tachometer Wire Location: At Ignition Coil

Car Speed Sense Wire: GREEN / WHITE

Car Speed Sense Wire Location: At Wire Harness from Transmission

Car Parking Lights Wire (+): Brown

Car Parking Lights Wire Location: At Vehicle Light Switch

Car Brake Lights Wire (+): Green

Car Brake Lights Wire Location: At Brake Switch Above the Pedal

Car Reverse Lights Wire (+): BLACK/ Pink

Car Reverse Lights Wire Location: At Gear Select Switch on Transmission

Car Horn Wire (-): N/A

Car Horn Wire Location: N/A"

The truck doesn't require any other connections. The radio gets power from the 2nd ignition wire. I have an 02 Dakota thats the same way. i powered all the "necessary" ignition and accessory wires but my radio, wipers, etc. dont come on till the keys in and on. Its actually nice in case of a radio left turned up loud or wipers left on and an icy windshield. Although I'm sure the icy windshield part may not happen all that much in NC as it does in PA.

blanx218 wrote: The truck doesn't require any other connections. The radio gets power from the 2nd ignition wire. I have an 02 Dakota thats the same way. i powered all the "necessary" ignition and accessory wires but my radio, wipers, etc. dont come on till the keys in and on. Its actually nice in case of a radio left turned up loud or wipers left on and an icy windshield. Although I'm sure the icy windshield part may not happen all that much in NC as it does in PA.

Ok, I guess it's nothing to lose sleep over, just wanted to make sure that I had wired everything correctly. Definitely no where as bad as PA, but there are plenty of mornings that the windshield ices over and needs heat in order to drive safely. Now my lazy ass doesn't hafta walk 25 feet and crank it up in my underwear while I'm scurrying around tryna get ready in the morning. LoL Thanks for the reply.

Hi, The BLACK/ light green needs to be powered up. It can be connected as an accessory circuit, because that's what it is. Mark

Ween wrote: Hi, The BLACK/ light green needs to be powered up. It can be connected as an accessory circuit, because that's what it is. Mark

Hello Mark. Interesting. So there is a BLACK/ light green wire in the ignition harness (not doubting you, I just definitely don't recall seeing one)? Also, the various wiring diagrams I found online were all the same and none of them mentioned a BLACK/ light green wire. The wiring diagram that I posted above and that I used said "N/A" for Ignition 2. Is this the ignition 2 that chev104275 mentioned?

 

chev104275 wrote: IGNITION 2      BLACK/ LIGHT GREEN (+)      @ IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS

And then I would wire that along with the heavy gauge accessory wire from the viper system? It's ironic, I tried to pull up the instruction manual that was resident on this site and it seems to have been taken down. I have a copied saved but not at the computer that I'm currently at.

Best regards,

Al

Alright, so I found the factory guide for the wiring. Everything with strike throughs was not wired. Everything in bold is where I wired them to on the truck. Maybe this will shed some light on the subject? Thanks again to all who have replied.

➢ Primary harness (H1) wiring diagram

H1/1 LIGHT GREEN/ BLACK FACTORY ALARM DISARM

H1/2 GREEN / WHITE FACTORY REARM

H1/3 YELLOW (+) IGNITION OUT (TO ALARM)

H1/4 WHITE/ BLUE (-) ACTIVATION INPUT

H1/5 ORANGE (-) GROUND WHEN LOCKED

H1/6 BROWN (-) HORN OUTPUT

H1/7 RED / WHITE (-) TRUNK RELEASE OUTPUT

H1/8 BLACK GROUND          Grounded (correctly) behind kick panel  

H1/9 WHITE (+/-) LIGHT FLASH        Car Parking Lights Wire (+): Brown @ Vehicle Light Switch

➢ 4-pin satellite harness diagram

1 BLUE STATUS OUTPUT

2 ORANGE (-) ACCESSORY OUTPUT

3 PURPLE (-) STARTER OUTPUT

4 PINK (-) STARTER OUTPUT

➢ Heavy gauge relay wiring diagram

1 PINK (+) (30 AMP) OUTPUT TO IGNITION CIRCUIT   Vehicle Ignition Wire (+): RED / Light Green @ Igintion Switch Harness2 PURPLE (+) (30 AMP) OUTPUT TO STARTER CIRCUIT        Automobile Engine Starter Wire (+): RED / Light Blue @ Ignition Switch Harness3 ORANGE (+) (30 AMP) OUTPUT TO ACCESSORY CIRCUIT Vehicle Accessory Wire (+): Gray / YELLOW @ Ignition Switch Harness4 RED (+) (30A) HIGH CURRENT 12 INPUT      Vehicle Battery Positive Wire (+): Yellow  @ Ignition Switch Harness5 PINK/WHITE (+) PROGRAMMABLE OUTPUT FOR ACCESSORY OR IGNITION

6 RED (+) (30A) HIGH CURRENT 12V INPUT    Vehicle Battery Positive Wire (+): Yellow  @ Ignition Switch Harness

➢ Door lock harness, 3-pin connector (I have manual locks  but am actually looking into swapping in factory power locks)

1 BLUE (-) UNLOCK OUTPUT

2 EMPTY NOT USED

3 GREEN (-) LOCK OUTPUT

➢ Remote start harness (H2) wiring diagramH2/1 BLACK/ WHITE (-) NEUTRAL SAFETY SWITCH INPUT    Grounded (truck is a manual, bypassed the clutch safety switch)H2/2 VIOLET/WHITE TACHOMETER INPUT WIRE        Car Tachometer Wire (-): Dark GREEN/ YELLOW @ Tach Harness (barely any wire exposed at coil)H2/3 BROWN (+) BRAKE SWITCH SHUTDOWN WIRE   Car Brake Lights Wire (+): Green @ Brake Switch Above Brake PedalH2/4 GRAY (-) HOOD PINSWITCH SHUTDOWN WIRE   At Hood Pinswitch (installed the one that came with system)H2/5 BLUE/WHITE (-) 200mA 2ND STATUS/REAR DEFOGGER OUTPUT

Connect module Pink/White to vehicle BLACK/ Light Green. Go into programming, change to accessory output.

Ween wrote: Connect module Pink/White to vehicle BLACK/ Light Green. Go into programming, change to accessory output.

Thanks Mark. I'll try to get under the steering wheel tomorrow and see if I can find BLACK/ Light Green at the ignition switch harness.

Best regards,

Al