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Posted: July 30, 2002 at 11:50 AM / IP Logged  

How difficult is it to add additional sensors (like a proximity or tilt sensor) to a car with an existing alarm if the alarm doesn't have any more input wires?

Can you wire two sensors (say a hood pin and a tilt sensor) in parallel? Series? Would it require some special diode or resistor?

Also, do proximity sensors (using sonar or radar) have 2-stages built into them or does the alarm need to support 2 stages? (2 stage support is: 1=warning 2=blast, right?)

Most sensors have 3 wires, right? (ground, 12volt constant input, and output (acts as a ground until it triggers then it's 12v)

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I found some information here https://www.the12volt.com/carsecurity/page5.asp and I understand the diode issue now, but specifically what applys to a hoodpin system where you piggy back a proximity sensor to a hoodpin?

(Do hoodpins have 2 or 3 wires?)

Would I just wire the proximity sensor off the hoodpins + and - and then wire the output with a diode to the hoodpin's - ??

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You can't piggyback a (-) trigger to a (+) trigger device. You will need to either reverse the polarity of the device or hook directly to the other (+) trigger device with a diode. Hood pins are always (-) trigger and proximity sensors , impact sensors & tilt sensors are all (+) trigger devices.

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ok, so to add a proxy sensor i can hook it's + up to some + and - up to ground and then hook up the output signal to the - of the alarm brain.. but if there is no - available on alarm brain, I can use an isolated diode and hook it up to, say the output signal (-) of a shock sensor? would that work? would I need to "isolate" both sensors with diodes or just the proxy?

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Posted: July 31, 2002 at 12:46 AM / IP Logged  

You have to check to see what your trigger wire is outputting on the device that you are trying to install. If the alarm requires a (-) input for the trigger input, and the proximity has a (+) trigger then you will need to use a relay to reverse the polarity to a (-) signal  otherwise you fry the device that your piggybacking and also the alarm trigger input. Diodes are only use as blockers... not polarity converters.

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Most sensors like DEI's 508D(field disturbance) or 507T(digital tilt sensor) are negative triggering devices. RED is constant 12V+ , BLACK is ground(preferably ground when armed--- usually orange out of alarm diode isolate if sharing with starter kill output and/or other sensors) and BLUE and/or GREEN are negitive sensor outputs. Can diode isolate with any of the alarms negative trigger inputs (ie:negative door trigger input, hood/trunk trigger input, or external shock sensor inputs.

What is the make and model# of your alarm system and what kind of car?

I'm Don.I can answer all your security questions. I have 12 years in the industry.
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So if I piggy-back a negative output device to another negative output device I should diod isolate the +, the -, and both - output (since this has two negative outputs (dual-zone proximity) right?

Will a 1amp diod suffice for me? (Well, 4 1amp diodes I guess is a better estimate since we're talking 4 piggy-backed wires)

I think the shock sensor is a negative output sensor with dual-zones so that might be the best to piggy-back off of....

HOW DO I TEST the output of something, say the shock sensor, with a voltmeter? Does "negative output" mean -12v? If so, then I'm sure my voltmeter will pick it up... that is, if my voltmeter supports negative voltage... hmmm that's a good question...

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