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severomagnus

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Posted: February 03, 2004 at 11:21 AM / IP Logged

I have a Phoenix Digital PD-175 alarm w/ remote start and I am about to install it into a 98 Mitsubishi eclipse w/ a manual transmission. I was wondering if there was a way to connect the neutral safety switch on the car to the parking brake signal, negative input on the alarm, or if there was a better way to use the neutral safety switch to keep me from starting the car while it is in gear.

Dreadlock

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Posted: February 03, 2004 at 12:46 PM / IP Logged

go to www.vfaq.com i think something there will help you.

Dreadlock

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Posted: February 03, 2004 at 12:48 PM / IP Logged

furthermore, you can hook the black white directly to the e-brake, or if you go to the site i just posted they have a diagram with a neautral safety wire you can tap into at the ecu or tranny.

severomagnus

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Posted: February 03, 2004 at 12:56 PM / IP Logged

thanks i'll check it out

soultinter

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Posted: February 03, 2004 at 7:34 PM / IP Logged

ya better make sure that system is made for a manual transmission vehicle or you'll be sorry. systems made for a manual have certain safety features that will prevent the vehicle from starting in gear, normal systems are made for auto trans only and WILL start in gear.

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Posted: February 03, 2004 at 8:31 PM / IP Logged

soultinter, I think what dreadlock was referring to was the fact that his Eclipse probably has a wire at the cars ECU that will show only ground when in gear or only when in neutral, depending on the car. Hooking that wire up to a remote starters hood pin input will prevent the car from starting when in gear. My Subaru WRX has a wire like that too....and I'm sure many other cars do too. Unfortunately that info isn't included in any of the wiring diagram databases out there.

I tried looking at the link he posted for Mitsubishi's, but it wasn't much help unless I wasn't looking in the right places.

severomagnus

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Posted: February 03, 2004 at 9:51 PM / IP Logged

thanks JWorm. I am sure that my car is equiped with a neutral safety because it has cruise controll and when it is nocked out of gear the cruise is shut off. I should be able to locate this wire with the wiring diagram but I was unsure of where to put it. I didnt know if I should put it with the parking brake signal or somewhere else like with the door pin signal. I would assume since my remote start is asking for me to wire up my ebrake to it, that it will not start unless the ebrake is pulled. If this is so, there should be a way to connect my neutral safety switch to it. I was just wondering wich would be easier.

I am also a novice at all this wiring jazz. I again must assume that the signal that the door pins and the ebrake switch would give is caused by completing a circuit. I would also assume that when the car is in gear another circuit is completed because cruise shuts off when out of gear breaking the circuit. could a simple relay be hooked into the neutral safety,creating a circuit when the circuit from the neutral safety is broken, and then be hooked into either a door pin signal or the ebrake signal? Does that make any sence? (it is hard to explain but I can see it in my head)

Oh and the link that dreadlock gave left me with nothing there was what appeared to be a great link on there to follow but the page could not be found. thanks anyway for your help dreadlock.

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Posted: February 03, 2004 at 10:33 PM / IP Logged

Yea I don't reccomend putting a alarm on a manual transmission car unless you are 100% positive that the alarm is made for that.

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Posted: February 03, 2004 at 11:12 PM / IP Logged

"Yea I don't reccomend putting a alarm on a manual transmission car unless you are 100% positive that the alarm is made for that."

Can people read? Or comprehend things? There is nothing unsafe about the remote start designed for an automatic that is in my manual transmission car. If the parking brake is not on, car won't remote start. If its in any gear besides neutral, it won't remote start. It won't even attemt to start. If the car is in gear, a wire at the cars ECU shows ground. That wire is hooked up to the hood pin input on my remote starter. No remote starter will start when it thinks the hood pin is open.

severomagnus, did you get a remote start designed for a manual or automatic? If its for an automatic, the parking brake input on the unit probably doesn't do anything.

As far as finding the wire that you need to connect to, that will probably be better found at a forum specifically for Eclipse's and/or Mitsubishi's. Another option is to acquire the service manual for the car, or a book with detailed descriptions of the wiring of the cars ECU and cruise control module. The information for Subaru's can be easily found at a Subaru site I visit.

The door pin input is not where you want to connect the wire to, since a remote starter will start when the door is open. They won't start when the hood is open. What are you using for a remote start?

severomagnus

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Posted: February 03, 2004 at 11:25 PM / IP Logged

Jworm, I have a Pheonix Digital PD-175 it is universal, works on a manual or automatic transmision. I cannot find a wire labeled for a hood pin i have a 7P plug which i assume is what runs the remote start and the 7 wires are labeled as follows

green = +door pin signal posotive input

yellow = starter killer negative 500mA output

white = "key on" signal, positive input

orange = brake pedal lamp signal positive input

blue = - door pin signal negative input

red = oil sensor (or oil lamp in dash board) popsitive input when engine start is succesfull a +12v appears on this wire

Black = parking brake (hand brake bar) signal , negative input

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