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naughtydog 
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Posted: May 03, 2002 at 9:08 AM / IP Logged  

Well, as a newbie to this site I certainly feel that I am "throwing my cap into the ring" (that means "getting my moneys worth and contributing - even though we are not paying for such a great resource)

Right, onto my question, many of our alarms in the uk have differing armed outputs( pos,neg,low current)

I would like to know if there is a simple way of converting a low current positive output ( not enough to switch a relay) into a full positive or negative - that will switch a relay by the addition of a few simple components.

Has anybody else hit this problem when adding modules etc

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Naughtydog

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Posted: May 03, 2002 at 9:21 AM / IP Logged  

Add a transistor to the output. You can change the polarity of the output as well... go here to read all about transistors http://www.tpub.com/neets/book7/

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Posted: May 03, 2002 at 5:31 PM / IP Logged  

If you want to convert polarity of wires try this :

  • POSITIVE INPUT -----> POSITIVE OUTPUT
    • 87 - constant 12 +
    • 86 - Chassis Ground
    • 30 - Output 12 +
    • 85 - low current positive
    • 87a- NOT USED
  • NEGATIVE INPUT----> NEGATIVE OUTPUT
    • 87 - Chassis ground
    • 86 - constant 12 volts +
    • 30 - GROUND output
    • 85 - low current ground input wire from a device
    • 87a - NOT USED
  • POSITIVE INPUT ----> NEGATIVE OUTPUT
    • 87 & 86 -  CHASSIS ground
    • 30 - Ground OUTPUT
    • 85 - 12 volt INPUT
    • 87a - NOT USED
  • NEGATIVE INPUT ----> POSITIVE OUTPUT
    • 87 & 86 - 12 volts +
    • 30 - 12 volts OUTPUT
    • 85 - Ground INPUT
    • 87a - NOT USED
Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA
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Posted: May 03, 2002 at 5:43 PM / IP Logged  
Hey Jeff, that would work fine if he had enough current to switch a relay, but he's looking for something to provide him enough current to switch a relay.
Quote: Originally posted by naughtydog on May 03, 2002

onto my question, many of our alarms in the uk have differing armed outputs( pos,neg,low current)

I would like to know if there is a simple way of converting a low current positive output (not enough to switch a relay) into a full positive or negative - that will switch a relay by the addition of a few simple components.


~~wirewise~~
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Posted: May 03, 2002 at 11:50 PM / IP Logged  

The above configurations will still allow a small voltage wire to control a high current power wire with a relay. I have used these configurations when a negative trigger wasn't enough to trip over the target device and added a relay to boost the negative signal. This applies to converting a low negative input to a high power + output. This has worked for me so I figured he could at least try this and if it does work, then he's got a relatively cheap fix and if not he can go the transistor route Converting outputs?? -- posted image..

Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
Mobile Audio/Video Specialist
Morden, Manitoba CANADA

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