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joyjet740 
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Posted: January 17, 2003 at 9:38 PM / IP Logged  

Hello every1;

I have toyota sienna 2002 with the FM-2009 (crimestopper). I did not do this myself, I have the pro installer did it for me a few day ago and I am having trouble with disable the oem alarm. Everytime I start my car without disarm first, then my car's oem alarm will go off. I must disarm everytime I want to start my car which this is the pain. I have talked to my installer a few times already and he said he will find out if he can do something to help me. He said at this point there is no way to get rid of the oem alarm. He said that, he already talked to manufactor of the FM-2009 and the only way to make this thing to work is unplug the oem alarm fuse. I am wondering if anyone here can help me or give me some link to solve this problem, I am very frustrated with wife on my back to remove this unit out. Please help me or email me at joyjet740@hotmail.co, I would very appreciated....

thanks...

10nesne1 
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Posted: January 18, 2003 at 12:17 AM / IP Logged  

OEM Alarm  Disarm:

 

BLUE (-)

12 PIN CONN. IN DRIVER'S KICK PANEL

OEM Alarm  Arm:

 

BLUE/WHITE (-)

7 PIN CONN. IN DRIVER'S KICK PANEL

Alarm  Input Wire:

 

RED / WHITE (-)

7 PIN CONN. AT FUSE BLOCK

Use those wire to bypass the OEM alarm system.  The FM-2009 should have those wire to arm and disarm the OEM alarm system.  Good luck....

joyjet740 
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10nesne1

Thank you very much for your quick reply... I will have my installer come back and help me with this problem. I hope these will have me with this problem, so that the wife won't bother me to take this unit out any more. Another thing if you could help me, I wanted to make this unit to control my two sliding doors I am wondering you can help or give me some direction to make this to work on both door. I have been told by my installer that my unit FM-2009 have only one aux. out which mean that I can dontrol only one door at a time. I would appreciated if you can help me again....

thanks.

10nesne1 
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Well, if you have two power sliding doors than you will need two or more aux output to control it.  Ex: like open and close.  The Canadian model doesn't come with power sliding doors.  Your installer can hook it up with one aux output, but it required some work.  With one aux output, he will have to open both door and close both door at the same time.  He will required 4 or more relays to do the job.  It depends what type of trigger the power sliding door come with.  Techsoft said it comes with negative trigger.  He will have to configure one relay for lated output it will allow you to open and close the relay.  This way it will allow you to open and close the power sliding doors.  Good luck
joyjet740 
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10nesne1

Thanks again for your help. I won't have my installer back till monday, he is too busy right now. Actually what I really wanted to get my system done correctly is the OEM alarm, just to make sure this oem alarm won't trigger whenever I start my car.  Other like sliding doors and the head light is my second... My head light right now won't shut off after car run remote start, because I place the switch at auto headlight off. I hope I can find way to make this headlight turn off after remote start which run about 15 min. But this one is not important just nice to have this option to work...

Thanks

10nesne1 
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Well, there are a couple way to bypass the headlight problem.  The hood pin trigger is also the shut down trigger for the remote starter.  When the remote starter time out, it will send a pulse to turn off the engine.  You will have your installer to install a couple diodes with a relay to do the job.  One pulse to the door pin trigger to turn on the dome light and the other pulse to turn off the headlight.

Good luck

joyjet740 
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10nesne1

Thanks again for your good direction. Anyway do you have some sort of schematic (diagram) for me so that I can follow much better? I am also an electronics Technician, but I am just have not done this kind of job before. If you can provide me with the diagram I would definitely can follow much easier. My installer may not aware of these stuff you have mentioned, but I will print these message so that he can read and he won't say that I am just saying nonsense... I am appreciate all the answer that you have provided me so far... if you can give me the schematic of these:

1. shut off the oem alarm when remote start

2. turn off the headlight when engine stop after remote start time out.

3. way to trigger the slide doors may be one at a time if possible.

I am sorry if I am asking you too much,

Todd..

10nesne1 
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Hi Todd......

All those answer, that I give you are all simple solutions.  I don't own or drive a Toyota Sienna.  I think the Sienna is a great vehicle.  Couple friends own one.  One have a remote starter install on in back in 1999.  He doesn't have those problem that you had.   I did another one was when someone asking for help earlier on a different post.  I find your vehicle might have a couple extra computers on it.  I live in Canada and the Canadian model doesn't have power sliding doors or auto lights.

Every remote starter has an shutdown trigger wire.  This trigger wire is programmed on the remote starter output.  Ex: 10, 12, 15, or 24 minutes timeout.  It depends on the remoter starter manufacturer standard programming.  The shutdown trigger wire is usually the hood pin wire. 

The install will hookup a relay like this:

Ans 1 & 2) Pin 87 to Ground, Pin 85 to shutdown trigger (hood pin), Pin 86 to 12 volt (3 amp fused), Pin 30 to diode isolate OEM alarm Input and Headlight shutdown, and Pin 87a not use.

Ans 3) The sliding door is kind of tricky to do because your alarm system only have only aux output.  It will required some work to do.  He will need 3 or more relays to do the job.  He will have to configure one relay to latch for open and close.  If you have 2 sliding doors than it will open and close both doors at the same time.  It's a simple Negative trigger relay configuration and your installer knew how to hook it up. 

    YEAR: 2001  MAKE: Toyota  MODEL: Sienna  STYLE:

|       ITEM          |     WIRE COLOR      |POL |       WIRE LOCATION        |
|                 12V |wht/red & wht/blue   | +  |ignition harness            |
|             STARTER |red                  | +  |ignition harness            |
|            IGNITION |BLACK / YELLOW         | +  |ignition harness            |
|     SECOND IGNITION |BLACK/ red            | +  |ignition harness            |
|           ACCESSORY |blue                 | +  |not required for r-start    |
|          POWER LOCK |blue/white           | -  |passenger kick panel  *1    |
|        POWER UNLOCK |blue / YELLOW          | -  |passenger kick panel  *1    |
|          LOCK MOTOR |blue/red             |    |integration relay *8        |
|        UNLOCK MOTOR |blue/black           |    |integration relay *8        |
|       DISARM DEFEAT |blue/red             |    |integration relay *8        |
|    PARKING LIGHTS + |green                |    |bottom of fuse box          |
|    PARKING LIGHTS - |GREEN/ orange         |    |combination switch harness  |
|          HEADLIGHTS |RED / green            | -  |combination switch harness  |
|        DOOR TRIGGER |RED / white            | -  |top right side of fuse box  |
|    DOME SUPERVISION |RED / black            | -  |right side of fuse box      |
|     TRUNK/HATCH PIN |GREEN/ black          | -  |top right side of fuse box  |
|            HOOD PIN |black                | -  |at light or theft ECU *2    |
| TRUNK/HATCH RELEASE |GREEN/ YELLOW *9      | -  |switch on dash below radio  |
|   FACTORY ALARM ARM |arms with lock       |    |                            |
|FACTORY ALARM DISARM |disarms with unlock  |    |                            |
|          TACHOMETER |*3                   |    |*3                          |
|         SPEED SENSE |violet / YELLOW        |    |at ECM below glove box      |
|          BRAKE WIRE |GREEN / WHITE          | +  |brake switch or fuse box    |
|        HORN TRIGGER |GREEN/ black          | -  |steering column             |
|              WIPERS |blue/blk, blue/org   | +  |wiper switch *4             |
|   LF WINDOW UP/DOWN |green   -    red     | A  |in drivers door at switch   |
|   RF WINDOW UP/DOWN |grn/wht  -  RED / blue | A  |in drivers door at switch   |
|   LR WINDOW UP/DOWN |red   -   yellow  *5 | A  |must go to motor (rear vent)|
|   RR WINDOW UP/DOWN |red   -   yellow  *5 | A  |must go to motor (rear vent)|
| SUN ROOF OPEN/CLOSE |red   -   green      | A  |at motor or sunroof relay *6|
|      SUN ROOF LIMIT |RED / blue or grn/wht  | -  |at sunroof relay  *6        |
|           RADIO 12V |blue / YELLOW          | +  |stereo or amp *7            |
|        RADIO GROUND |brown                | -  |stereo or amp *7            |
|        RADIO SWITCH |gray                 | +  |stereo or amp *7            |
|    RADIO ILLUMINATE |WHITE/ green          | -  |dimmer switch               |
|          LF SPEAKER |pink   -   violet    |non |stereo or amp *7            |
|          RF SPEAKER |lt. green  -   blue  |non |stereo or amp *7            |
|          LR SPEAKER |black  -   yellow    |non |stereo or amp *7            |
|          RR SPEAKER |red   -   white      |non |stereo or amp *7            |
NOTES:
NOTE: Some models have an immobilizer system that needs to be bypassed
during remote start.  Use DEI module 555F or 555U to bypass.
*1  they will test only by operating the key in the passenger door lock
cylinder, not the rocker switch on the door itself.
*2  door lock ECU and theft ECU are in the center console.
*3  located at one of the coils on top of the valve cover, use the wire
that is NOT BLACK/ white, WHITE/ black, or black
*4  rear wiper pink/black(-) at wiper switch
*5 rear open & close motors are common through the switch
*6  sunroof relay located front center under headliner.
*7  stereo amplifier in center console below doorlock and theft ECU.
*8  the integration relay is at the bottom of the fusebox.
*9  This is for the power sliding side door.

joyjet740 
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  10nesne1

Thanks for the help that you have gave me so far, and I will let you know how it works. I hope I get this baby to work this week, I hate to go through all of these problem. Especially the oem alarm that go off when remote start....

thanks, Todd.

Chris Luongo 
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Posted: January 19, 2003 at 7:56 PM / IP Logged  

At the ignition switch is a small two-pin harness.  One of the wires is WHITE/ black; the other is blue with a stripe.  This is the keysense wire---it shows a ground anytime the ignition key is inserted.

Tell your installer that he must send a steady ground to the keysense wire during remote start.  It can't be a one-second pulse------it must be a steady ground for at least the first few seconds----preferably a ground the whole time the remote starter is on.  This is a low-current wire; he does not need to use a relay.

I've only installed one Crimestopper, and that was years ago, so I'm not familiar with how they're set up.  But surely the unit will offer an output that can be used for this, or if not, your installer should be able to configure something similar.

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