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Fosgate3 
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Posted: July 02, 2007 at 1:55 PM / IP Logged  

So I'm installing a Code Alarm CA670 on my friend's 05 Pontiac G6. Everything goes well until I get to the bypass module. After much research here and elsewhere, I recommended him to get a XK06 module which is the same as a PKG7. Before I could find a good dealer,  he "ran out" and bought one from autotoys.com for a low price. The ppl at the website gave him a hassle about shipping and then told him  he had to wait until the module was "flashed" with the proper firmware and that it would take 3-4 days to ship. The next day, it went out and he received a tracking number. That's the history here...

This is the first time I've heard of "flashing" an interface module with firmware to make it work for a vehicle. It's no surprise though given how technology has changed. Regardless, when  I installed the module this morning, I called Peripheral's tech support (since the module ended up being a PKG7 instead of the XK06 that he ordered) b/c the instructions with the module refereced two harnesses in the ignition area, one of which I couldn't locate. As the tech and I spoke, he referrenced using the pink and pink/white wires for the white passlock resistence wire. This alarmed me b/c the instructions that came with the module indicated the pink and pink/white weren't used and that the green and blue wires were to go to that wire. The tech professionally stood his ground which was cool.

After connecting everything, I got ready to program the module: the instructions are explicit about what to do, relying heavily on the use of the onboard LED. The LED on my module was blinking in 3-blink successions (i.e. blink-blink-blink {pause} blink-blink-blink) which, per the instructions, indicated the module was programmed. What's more is that when you held the program button down to actually do the programming with the key as directed, no blinks or anything occurred. Furthermore, the car would not start with the module connected. I tried resetting it and the LED blinked as it should for that though the instructions didnt correspond to the info the tech had when I called him back on it. I tried several times to program, reset, etc. and either the LED would blink in its 3-blink mode, blink only one short time and stop altogether (occured when I pressed and held the program button but no other blinking afterwards), or blink for about 2 seconds rapidly when resetting. In any case, the car would not start with the key until I removed the module.

Also, I tried using the green and blue wires instead of the pink ones and that was useless. I had it wired that way to begin with with no avail.

I have not tried the remote start with the alarm yet as that would be an irrelevant issue if the car cant start normally with the key with the module in place.

Any thoughts?

enice 
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Posted: July 02, 2007 at 6:48 PM / IP Logged  

OK, you have 2 wires that cut in two different plugs. At the black plug you cut the RED / white wire and the white wire at the green plug.  Connect the violet/white wire to the RED / white wire key side and the red wire to the other.  Then you connect the pink wire to white wire key side and the pink/white wire to the other side.  I am assuming that you have the other wires connected properly. 

Note**** The PKG7 has pre-set applications.  In other words, no software upgrade was needed.  Only modules like the "XK" series are.

Fosgate3 
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Posted: July 02, 2007 at 9:05 PM / IP Logged  

Well, as I wrote, I wired it just as you said. I sent all this info via email to Peripheral to a different tech from whom I spoke with earlier. I advised of what the first tech told me. The guy wrote back and told me to contact a person who is an engineer for the company. I tried calling but no one was available.

The PKG7 has preset apps... well the one my friend intended to buy was the xk06. I wonder what they were "flashing" the module with then. If I dont have the data-to-data cable and usb adaptor for that cable, there's no way of downloading the latest firmware version from Peripheral's site, is there?

enice 
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Posted: July 02, 2007 at 9:17 PM / IP Logged  

Bypasskits and peripherals pretty much have the same exact models except that it may be a letter or 2 off.  Go here and see if this is the same exact bypass that you have. http://bypasskit.com/getdocument.aspx?documentid=354

Also reset module and re learn after you do the wiring mentioned earlier.

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Posted: July 02, 2007 at 9:58 PM / IP Logged  

That is the same module. Ironically, and as I pointed out to peripheral, the instructions that came with the alarm, peripheral's website, and bypasskits website all indicate that the pink and pink/white wires arent used and instead, the blue and green ones are used. The link above and the techs at peripheral however, suggest otherwise. It's not a big deal to me, just like I said... Ironic that there are competing instructions for the same product, and that the instructions are coming from "reliable" sources.

Aside from that, I very much appreciate the suggestions to wire up that way and to reset it and what-not. However, I'm wondering if the info I posted originally was misread or not read thoroughly as I've indicated already that I've wired it up as suggested by peripheral's tech and as suggested by Enice, as well as illustrated in the instructions. Plus, I've attempted to reset the thing countless times, following the instructions to a T as much as possible. I even went over the steps with the tech. What I'm trying to determine is if anyone has ever heard of such a problem and to see if anyone had any suggestions other than what I've done already. I'm also wondering if it's possible for the place that my friend ordered the alarm from to have screwed it somehow with the "flashing" of the firmware.

If the PKG7 is preset as indicated, why is there a firmware download available through peripheral?

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Posted: July 04, 2007 at 11:19 PM / IP Logged  

After looking at the module again today, I realized that it is indeed an XK06. "PKG7" was marked on the label and I think that's what I saw and registered. I spoke with an engineer who was recommended by Peripheral: he advised that given the way the LED is blinking, it sounded like the module was flashed with PLXR software instead of PKG7. Coincidentally, my friend was told the same thing from Autotoys and was given a link to the wiring instructions for the PLXR and advised to use them.

I doubted it would work but I tried still... the first time I got the wires connected, I tried (prior to reinstalling the dash, securing the module, etc.) and it worked. I'm not sure why or how it did but it did. When I reinstalled the dash though, it quit working, oddly enough. I pulled the dash apart again, checked everything... it all was secure. I reset the module and tried reprogramming it and things went downhill... the module would not program. I just came in from working on it tonight and found that if the key is in the ignition, the remote start will work. If you go  through the steps of programming (which I did countless times, as well as resetting the unit countless times), the car does everything except start with the RS is activated. I dont know what's up...

Per the diagram that Autotoys supplied, the module uses connections at the green harness at the ignition switch that holds the passlock data wires. It's wired like this:

Black - ground, to a solid ground

Red - 12v constant, to RED / white wire in the green harness

Pink - 12v ignition, to pink wire in the green harness

Brown - ground out when running, to blue/black negative status wire of the Code CA670 alarm

Orange - remote start input, to purple starter output of the CA670

Green - data wire, to the green harness side of the white passlock data wire (cut)

Blue - data wire, to the BCM/vehicle side of the white passlock data wire (cut)

Pink/White, PURPLE / White, and Purple are not used.

As the vehicle sits now, it will start with the key with the module in place. It will not remote start. When you try, the accessories come on as if you were starting it but that's all. The alarm is programmed for tachless.

enice 
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Posted: July 05, 2007 at 9:56 AM / IP Logged  

If I were you I would contact Autoys and ask them to send me a XK06 with the PKG7 software.  When I searched the vehicle it maked to use the PKG7 2.0 software on it.  It had no mention of the PLXR software.  If you only had the cable then you probably could of corrected it yourself.  If you can get a hold of a fed tax id then you can register with bypasskit.com and order them directly.  They told me that if you purchase 4 XK series bypasses then the cable is free.  Good Luck and post an update.

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Posted: July 05, 2007 at 10:04 AM / IP Logged  
I will post and encourage the owner (my friend) to go and do that with autotoys. I think he's in the process of doing something. Will any fed tax id work? my father-in-law owns a small business... he has a tax id.
enice 
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Posted: July 05, 2007 at 10:06 AM / IP Logged  
wouldn't be able to tell you.  I have a small business with a Federal tax ID and state tax Id and registered online and got instant access to their prices at dealer cost. 
Fosgate3 
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Posted: July 05, 2007 at 10:13 AM / IP Logged  

sweet!

i'll try that this eve. i'll repost. thanks for replying too!


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