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bobbyb22 
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Posted: October 02, 2007 at 2:52 PM / IP Logged  

Sorry if someone has already posted similair questions, but I couldn't find them.

I recently had Best Buy install this remote starter since I was told that they are complicated installs and the warranty is a must.

Well, it must have been complicated because it took the guy over six hours, many calls to tech support, and my reading the troubleshooting guides that he had pulled up to get it installed correctly. He promised it done in 1 1/2 to 2 hours.

My questions are simple:

Can I have him hook up the AUX button to honk the horn to find my car? He seemed to want to get me out of there when I was questioning whether the AUX button was hooked up (he tested it like he wasn't sure, what a joke.)

Is there a way to boost the range, maybe with another remote and antenna. I know the 160xvr use 2/66 rolling codes and so it might be more complicated to get a SST 1 mile range setup. In one topic, someone suggested swapping out the brains and antenna. Where would you get this without buying the entire thing again? This would be great when in the office.

Also, he didn't hook up the on/off switch or hood pin, is this important at all for safety reasons?

Thanks for your help, I wish I knew more about this stuff and would have just bought the 160xvl with the 1 mile range to begin with.

Oh, and Best Buy can't be recommended, but where else do you go?

Thanks again.

Chris Luongo 
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Posted: October 02, 2007 at 5:06 PM / IP Logged  
Your story is not uncommon, unfortunately.
Basic, popular American car that was built in large numbers for seven years, and it takes all day and requires tech support.
8 hours to find and connect 10 wires?
That tells you a lot about the installer's level of experience, and the level of training given to him by his employer.......but I suppose you already know that.
To answer your questions:
---The AUX button could be connected to the horn, but that probably isn't what you'd want. The minimum time on the AUX output is 1.0 second, and that'd be very loud.
The AUX output would typically be used to open the power trunk, if your car has one.
But, the 160XV (I haven't heard of a 160XVR) has a dedicated horn-honk output, and a Panic feature.
You'd press and hold LOCK to activate Panic. (see your user guide.)
Also, the horn will beep when you lock and unlock using the remote, but that feature can be turned off in programming if you don't like it.
---I don't install Viper, but I think you'd have a hard time buying just a brain, remote, and antenna, but without the cables.....and it wouldn't be much cheaper even if you could.
You could, however, buy an entire new unit, swap the brain/antenna/antenna cable............and you'd end up with a nearly-brand-new 160, and all-new wiring, ready to be installed in another car..........although if you're not able to install it yourself, that doesn't do you a lot of good.
---A lot of installers install the hoodpin switch and control switch; a lot don't. There is a lot of heated debate on the forums about this.
Hoodpins quickly rust and quit working. Customers bump into (or play with) control switches, and then blame the install shop, saying the remote starter is broken.
Regardless, when I worked at Best Buy, it was a terminal offense (you could get fired) for not installing the hood switch.
It's a big liability risk, and they could get sued if someone got injured because the remote starter came on while someone was working on the engine.
I don't remember if there was any policy about the control switch.
CONCLUSION:
I have no idea if store management would take any pity on you for the installer's lack of skill, and your inconvenience and loss of time. But you could try.
If you could find out where their nearest corporate office is, and bring the hoodpin issue to the attention of the proper people, maybe you could get them to hook up the horn feature for free, or maybe even get an upgrade to one of the models that have greater range.
P.S. I'm not knocking the installer, AT ALL. I WAS that guy! It was really good for my career that these big-box stores will hire anyone.........but unfair that they throw the installer into the garage with little training or supervision.
usabuilt 
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Posted: October 03, 2007 at 1:45 PM / IP Logged  
those Grand Am's can be difficult even though they made tons of them..the key switch is mounted in a difficult spot and the radio needs to be removed if I remember correctly.
just because you have training dosen't mean a job cannot blind-side you, and take a full day.. I have been doing it for long time, and I get stumped on the seemingly simple jobs sometimes..sometimes I spend hours looking for just one wire..it sucks but it happens.
bobbyb22 
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Posted: October 05, 2007 at 8:18 AM / IP Logged  

I don't think he had to take out the radio. The reason why I can't recommend Best Buy is because it's overpriced, and it's overpriced because of the huge amount of staff. The staff always seemed to have very little to do. I watched a football game with six staff members. Some staff members were just standing around. And one time when I tried to call it took 20 mins, people kept transferring me to the back, I kept saying... please don't transfer me again, it wasn't cool.

Back to the guy. I feel sorry for him that it took that much work and it's understandable. But overall, I feel like I didn't get my money's worth. The first time I came in I was told to wait for the installer and 20 mins later was told that I would have to come back next weekend and to give the guy a few hours to do it. I came back but the guy was leaving early. I asked him if my car would run into any problems and he said no, it would get great range and cost $50 extra for a bypass. I said lets do it but after he got started said that the bypass was $80 but it was worth it b/c of the install included in price. He went over his time and asked if I would come back the next day. I said sure, showed up 10 mins later than I was told to (drove there) and was turned away b/c he had inventory. He said to come back another day. The other day,. he hurt his back, understandably postponed again but he said it would take 45 mins tops to program the car (this entire time the wires are sticking out, steering wheel covers off). So I come back again and he takes almost three hours and doesn't vacuum the wire shards.

Again, I don't want to blame the guy, but still...

Long vent I know, wonder if anyone will read it.

kgerry 
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Posted: October 05, 2007 at 11:53 AM / IP Logged  

as you didnt really ask a question i will address the original post.... as mentioned already the unit does have a panic mode feature that you can hook up to your horn to help locate your vehicle... it is not activated via Aux, but via the lock button...

you can upgrade to a Venom SSt or Responder SST unit but you would have to replace the brain, antenna and remote, so essentially you are buying a new unit....which in hindsight you should probably have done in the first place....

I always install the hood pin and the valet switch both..... to not do so is lazy and potentially dangerous....

where else to shop besides a box store??? how about a small local dealer that you feel comfortable with?  shop your small local dealers and the one that instills confidence in you, go with....

Kevin Gerry
Certified Electronics Technician
MECP First Class Installer
Owner/Installer
Classic Car Audio
since 1979

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