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jrautoelectrics 
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Posted: February 15, 2011 at 3:07 PM / IP Logged  
Could any one help me with a problem I have please
I have a 12v relay that has a dual voltage going to it
basically when I turn my car lights on i have 3v volts going to my new relay and it buzzes because of not full voltage
I would like to stop this and make it operate at around 10v-12v only
could any one help please
new boy UK here
oldspark 
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Posted: February 15, 2011 at 3:36 PM / IP Logged  
Insert a diode or a few - eg common IN400x series (4001, 4004 etc).
But probably any diode(s) will do - they merely have to handle the relay current.
Each diode will drop about ~0.6V, hence 2 will drop ~1.2V etc.
That should drop the relay voltage below its drop out voltage.
Meanwhile losing .6 or 1.2V off the on voltage of ~12V should not make much difference.
(Exceptions - a relay switching high current; diodes with 0.2-0.3 voltage drops like ancient Germanium & some Schottky.
Strictly speaking, the voltage should be cleaned up thru a comparator or transistor or (maybe easiest) a FET, but suck it & see if it works...)
jrautoelectrics 
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Posted: February 15, 2011 at 5:09 PM / IP Logged  
Thanks for the reply
so i need to put a few diodes in series with the relay
on the 0v- or the 12v+
also some one else said to try a zenor diode would that work ????
jrautoelectrics 
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Posted: February 15, 2011 at 5:35 PM / IP Logged  
A little more info for you on my project
I have upgrade my rear lights on car to leds
my old side light doubled up as a fog when its was given the full 12v
but only 3v volts when in side mode
so ive fitted a relay in line with the supply to the fog light
so when i turn the fog on the relay operates which works but
when the side lights are on the relay buzzes
hope this helps any one with my prob
howie ll 
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Zener diode won't work with out either a cap or a resistor I believe but why are you getting 3volts in the system or do you have those POS LED lights. Howie ll THE only real auto electrics guy.
jrautoelectrics 
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Posted: February 15, 2011 at 5:38 PM / IP Logged  
As above your post
howie ll 
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Sorry JR, your post arrived before I completed mine, just proves how good I am at auto electrics! Install a second (LEGAL) rear fog and the problem will go away.
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Posted: February 15, 2011 at 5:41 PM / IP Logged  
yes that would be easy
but i would like my new fog light to work properly
and stop the buzzing in my boot
jrautoelectrics 
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Posted: February 15, 2011 at 5:43 PM / IP Logged  
forgot to say
the new lights are from a newer model and are legal but work slightly different to my wiring
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Posted: February 15, 2011 at 9:42 PM / IP Logged  
I'm with Howie. (Howie ll THE only real auto electrics guy.)
A forward biased zenor is merely a diode.
Reverse biased it doesn't conduct until above its breakdown voltage - eg, a 3.0V zenor would be equivalent to 5 x 0.6V diodes (but mounted opposite direction). Make sure the zenor voltage times its current does not exceed its power rating (Watts).
+ve or -ve side should not matter.
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