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2008 vw rabbit factory momentary ground


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kevin27803 
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Posted: September 09, 2008 at 8:28 AM / IP Logged  

So basically, I have an old alarm with a remote that I want to add to my car so that I can use the siren and shock sensor without extensive modding. I want to solder the arm/disarm leads of my aftermarket alarm remote so and connect it in the car (leave the aftermarked remote stowed away somewhere in the car) then connect it so that when i lock the car with the factory remote, the arm "button" on the aftermarket is triggered, thus arming the alarm, disarm=the same thing. it makes sense and would be convenient. Here's what I need to know...

What wires in our car and where provide momentary ground when you press lock on the facotry remote. Unlock? I will need to locate and tap these wires to proceed with my project. I have looked everywhere. Hopefully some techies could chime in. I'm thinking maybe in that big plug somewhere where the computer plugs in to the car, but i'd rather be sure or at least have some idea before I start poking around with a multimeter.

there are two pins in the aftermarket remote under the ARM/DISARM buttons. When you push ARM. the two pins touch... What I want to do it find a ground source that only gets ground in the car for a second or so when you use the factory remote LOCK/UNLOCK buttons. When I find that ground signal souce, I can solder it to one of the pins in the aftermarket remote and the other to a constant ground.... There is no load since the circuit would only be closing ground. If there is a positive source, I would use a relay accordingly so that there is no additional drain....

Also, the computers/modules in the car exist (no doubt), but there is still current driving the modules, etc. For example, those side markers in the mirrors have to get power in order to light the bulb. Its not impossible, we just need to find the MOMENTARY ground when LOCKED and m.ground when UNLOCKED via the factory remote. I could carry two remotes but prefer not to especially if I can integrate it as such.... Someone suggested that blinking led in the door? The problem with that is that it constantly blinks... I was thinking maybe tapping the negative (or positive, id have to do a little research)side of one of the door actuators??? The side blinkers are perfect if only they didnt blink twice when I unlock the car. OR if there is a module out there that can convert double pulse to a single output....

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Posted: September 10, 2008 at 9:27 AM / IP Logged  

I would think your best bet would be to use the door lock actuators.  The major drawback here is that if you reach through an open window and hit the unlock button on the door it will disable the added alarm.

If your car has priority unlock you could possibly set something up that would look to see if ONLY the drivers door is unlocked send the momentary signal but if the passenger door and the drivers door are unlocked don't send the signal.

You would definately need relays to convert the + to the negative you think you need.  Keep in mind though, that unless you connect the remotes ground to the cars ground sending a (-) from the car to the remote won't do anything - the grounds have to be common in order for that to work.

If it were me, I would make a small 3vdc (or whatever voltage the remote works at) power supply and hardwire the remote to the car battery (a dead remote battery would be a pain).  I would then use the contacts on the relay to push the button by shorting out one pin to the other.  Use the relay contacts as contacts instead of using them to send a (-) or (+) signal.

Kevin Pierson
kevin27803 
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Posted: September 11, 2008 at 11:28 AM / IP Logged  
thats a great idea... my car has a "single negative door lock AND unlock" output that goes through a resistor to differenciate the signal to the module in the doors... If the remote for the alarm was only one button (Alternating arm/disarm each time it was pressed), couldnt i tap that signal to one of the remotes pins, and the other remote pin to the cars ground without relays/diodes/etc etc...??
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Posted: September 11, 2008 at 2:34 PM / IP Logged  

The question is though does that signal change when you remotely arm and disarm the car?  Typically, those signals arn't activated by the remote, but by the key in the door cylinder or some other method.

If that signal does change when you remotely arm and disarm the car then you could use it for what you are trying to do.  You'll just need to build a simply interface circuit to look for the correct voltage.

Kevin Pierson

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