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itpdiesel 
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Posted: December 19, 2007 at 9:01 PM / IP Logged  

All,

I'm considering purchasing a Kenwood Excelon DDX8019 to replace my failing Pioneer AVIC-D1.  There are some things about the Pioneer that I really didn't like, and some things about the Kenwood that I just don't know.  I'm hoping that you can help me answer some questions so I can make a good decision.

The D1 is currently installed in my 2004 F350.  I believe that I already have any of the required vehicle wires (like backup or vss) connected to the Pioneer, so the swap should be simple.

D1 Complaints:

The iPod control SUCKS!
The NAG screens every time it powers up are ANNOYING!
Finding NAV update discs seems to be an issue.
Touch Screen gets "out of whack", touching a button in one place activates one in a different place

The DDX8019 appears to have MUCH MUCH MUCH BETTER iPod control.  It looks to be able to search, and looks like it will actually display information about the tracks, unlike the 8 charaters or whatever I get with the D1.

I'm excited about the Garmin NAV in the DDX.  Does it have NAG screens like the D1?  Is it easy to get updates from Garmin?  If I ground the parking brake wire, can I make NAV changes while moving, or does it monitor vehicle speed and lock you out that way?

Does the DDX allow video to play (either from the iPod or a DVD) while the vehicle is moving?  I'd like for my family to be able to watch movies on it on trips.

Has anyone had any issues with the touch screen?

Any other input from people that have used this particular head unit, particularly with the NAV add-on, is GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!!

ludacrisvp 
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Posted: December 20, 2007 at 4:41 AM / IP Logged  
I would assume that a lot of the DDX-8019 would be similar to the Kenwood that I have.
From what I can tell by looking at your model number that is not a built in navigation unit device. If it was it would begin with DNX not DDX.
DDX-8019
If you look there at the bottom of the intro it says "Optional functions include Bluetooth and Navigation."
So unless you buy the navigation add-on you will not have navigation in this unit.
I have the DNX-7100 in my car it has the built in navigation, and a quick look at the specs it looks like all the 8019 has on my unit is an extra USB port.
itpdiesel wrote:

I believe that I already have any of the required vehicle wires (like backup or vss) connected to the Pioneer, so the swap should be simple.

Kenwood DNX-7100 doesn't require VSS connection, in fact I don't think there was a wire for it at all even if you wanted to use one. It uses the GPS tracking to monitor your speed. There is a reverse wire connection.

D1 Complaints:

The iPod control SUCKS!
The NAG screens every time it powers up are ANNOYING!
Finding NAV update discs seems to be an issue.
Touch Screen gets "out of whack", touching a button in one place activates one in a different place

The DDX8019 appears to have MUCH MUCH MUCH BETTER iPod control. It looks to be able to search, and looks like it will actually display information about the tracks, unlike the 8 charaters or whatever I get with the D1.

I'm excited about the Garmin NAV in the DDX.

Does it have NAG screens like the D1?
Yes, One screen when you go into navigation mode every time. If you never use the navigation portion the screen never comes up.
Is it easy to get updates from Garmin?
Yes, go online to their website and you buy them on a SD memory card that they ship to you. It is tailored specifically to each type of Kenwood navigation system.
If I ground the parking brake wire, can I make NAV changes while moving, or does it monitor vehicle speed and lock you out that way?

If you do that you will bypass the system's safety features for both navigation and playing any and all types of video while in motion. The unit doesn't use your detected speed to lock you out.

Does the DDX allow video to play (either from the iPod or a DVD) while the vehicle is moving?

Not without bypassing safety features
I'd like for my family to be able to watch movies on it on trips.

Has anyone had any issues with the touch screen?

None, at all.

Any other input from people that have used this particular head unit, particularly with the NAV add-on, is GREATLY APPRECIATED!!!!

The 7100 looks exactly the same and from experience with it for a few months is a flawless touchscreen, I don't have the iPod adapter so using the USB connection was usable but I only used it for a few mins just after installation so I can't say how well it works.
What is it about the 8019 that makes you want to spend the extra money on the navigation add-on that in the end would cost more than the integrated DNX-7100?
If you haven't made the purchase yet I would consider the DNX-7100.
itpdiesel 
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Posted: December 20, 2007 at 9:28 AM / IP Logged  

Yes, I am aware that the Navigation requires the additional module.  At the time, I assumed that the DDX8019 was the "top of the line".  Thank you for pointing out the DNX7100, I'm looking at that unit now as well.

I am still trying to get a clear list of differences between the two units (DNX7100 and DDX8019) other than the built in Nav in the 7100.  There must be more than that that's different?  If anyone knows specifically, please let me know.  I've tried calling Kenwood but the phone just rings and rings.

BTW, the reviews of both on cnet really bashed the media selection menu and some of the other menus, are they really that bad?  The Nav is important to me and the Kenwoods use of Garmin puts them strongly in the lead as I am only moderately impressed with the Pioneer interface and didn't care for the interfaces in some of the others I've looked at.  I'm just looking for honest opinions about these units as a whole though...I want to know what I'm getting into and if there are major gripes!

itpdiesel 
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Posted: December 20, 2007 at 10:50 AM / IP Logged  

OK, between the Kenwood site and finally getting them on the phone, here is what the differences are...

DNX7100 has NAV built in...you have to buy a $400 module for the DDX8019

The DDX8019 has the following items that the DNX7100 doesn't:

 - 1 More AV Input
 - 1 More USB Connector
 - 5v Pre-Outs (7100 has 2v)
 - Ability to select among 3 Skins

I personally don't care about the extra AV IN.

The extra USB would be nice because the iPod adapter will use the only USB on the 7100.  That leaves me with no place to plug in a memory stick if I want to play something that's not on the iPod, play someone elses MP3 player or load background images to the unit.

I'm not sure on the pre-out voltage if I should care.  All of my amplifiers are "old school" PPI Mosfet Series (late 80s to early 90s vintage).  I'll be using the built in crossover (headunit) with no signal processing between the headunit and the amps.  Should I care about the 2v vs 5v pre-outs?

The "skins" deal will only matter if the default skin on the 7100 is ugly.  From what I've seen, it looks OK to me...but I'll want to go look at one live in a store before making that final decision.

ludacrisvp 
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Posted: December 20, 2007 at 3:27 PM / IP Logged  
I think the 7100 looks fine to me.
The menu system has a small learning curve, if you already are used to touch screens in your car you will have it down in about an hour.
I would think that since your amps are so old they would have been designed with the lower voltages in mind.
I saw the Cnet review before I made the purchase, I don't regret getting it. The cnet review tends to exaggerate about the flaws, it is easier to operate than they lead you to believe.
There is a "NAV" button on the face, press that at anytime and you are in the Garmin Navigation system.
Press "V.SEL" to go back to what ever the previous video was or the wallpaper that is shown while playing music if in the video mode.
Press "FNC" one time in the nav or the video screen and you get all the audio/video source controls you need, press the center of the screen to make it go away.
Press "FNC" twice and you are brought to the main interface of the unit.
While watching video off of DVD or CD they can be Divx, Mpeg maybe others not sure. WMV doesn't work. touch the right side of the screen and you will either have the next chapter in a movie or if there is no more chapters you will have the next track. left side gives you previous track.
If you don't care if the dnx7100 is a refurb there is a site that has it for $789.90. Or a new one from them for $899.00.
I got mine from them at Salectronics
fast shipping, well packaged. They box the Kenwood in another plain box, and Kenwood packages the DNX7100 quite well.
They also have the 8019 new $839 refurb $719
Hope this helps.
itpdiesel 
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Posted: December 20, 2007 at 3:42 PM / IP Logged  

It looks like the only remaining issue is the single USB...I might have to put an extension so that the connection is located somewhere that is easily accessible, in case I want to disconnect the iPod adapter and connect something else.

Anyone else have any thought, opinions, etc...I sure would like some more input before spending this much $$$.

ludacrisvp 
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Posted: December 20, 2007 at 6:04 PM / IP Logged  
The usb cable is like 2 feet long coming out of the back of the unit.
That may be long enough or you could get an extension cable if you wanted to.
Be aware the manual states that a usb hub is not supported and will not work with the dnx7100.
I have a usb hub so I may test it out anyways, but I would assume it is not supported because you can't pick the USB device that it is connected to.
Have you decided on one or the other?
It may be beneficial to have a DNX 7100 topic asking for personal reviews of it.
ludacrisvp 
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Posted: December 20, 2007 at 6:08 PM / IP Logged  
Since I can't edit my post.
If you want me to I can take pics of the unit with my digital camera, just tell me what screens you want to see and I will upload them to my site for my car.
Besides it would give me an excuse to update the over 1 year old pics on the site. ddx8019 information needed -- posted image.
itpdiesel 
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Posted: December 20, 2007 at 6:44 PM / IP Logged  

Pics of the iPod control screens would be interesting to me.

I'm leaning toward the DNX7100 due to the cost.  If the USB cable is that long, I'm sure I can get it to somewhere where I can disconnect the iPod adapter and plug something else in if necessary.

ludacrisvp 
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I don't have the adapter but I will show you what you get without the adapter.
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