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nipplz 
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Posted: April 05, 2006 at 8:43 PM / IP Logged  

i'm new to the video field.  i have now installed ten concept video systems and they all have had electrical noise varying with engine rpm.  some have more and some have less.  i have tried multiple filters but every system has had some noise still present.  the noise is present when using either the concept built-in fm signal or tapping the signal wires into a peripheral pxdx.  does anyone have some tricks of the trade? do any other systems have the same problems?

Anouther question i have concerns the pxdx.  is it normal to have a significant loss of volume when transfering signal from either an mp3 player or video system through the pxdx to the factory stereo?  are there any repairs for this problem?

doibuy 
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Posted: April 05, 2006 at 10:21 PM / IP Logged  
Try connecting a filter on the power lead that will ususally fix your problem.  There are quite a few different ones available.  I've used quite a few different ones, the ones that seem to work the best are the ones by PAC, although I can't remember the exact part number CSS-5 maybe, but I also used to take the ones that came on the power wire with Audiovox TVs
nipplz 
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i have installed many filters.  they are all manufactured by peripheral.  they reduce the noise but do not completely remove the noise. any other suggestions?

prodigal 
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Engine noise can usually be caused by improper grounding. Try ensuring that the area the ground wire is touching the vehicle chasis properly meaning remove dirt grease and scrape off paint to ensure metal to metal contact. Also the ground wire my be at least same size or bigger than the power wire feeding it. Ensure that all grounding is properly done including that of the player, sound processors and amplifiers.

Also connecting too many ground wires to the same point can create noise. I've solved many noise problems by checking the ground wires. Try it out. U may find that there is no need for noise filters too.

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sparkie 
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I am going to disagree with the Prodigal Son's response. Having multiple ground points can lead to introducing a ground loop into the system. Ground all components to one spot and insure that the connections are very tight and are into a clean section of the body. Make sure that the vehicle's battery is well grounded to the chassis too. Install a power line filter on the ignition feed wire. Use one filter for all ignition feeds to the various components. Install the filter close to the source of power. Keep your ground wires as short as possible. Don't route any RCA or audio cables near power wires. Try different power sources. You may have to install a ground loop noise isolator on any preamp or RCA lines. I like the IST2   RCA style model from Audiovox. It works great and is cheap. If you are using an wireless FM modulator that transmits inside the vehicle, then yes you will hear a reduction in volume between it and the other audio sources. Some of these units have an internal gain you can play with to increase the volume. Noise troubleshooting takes time. Try to start with a very basic system and see if the noise is present. Add other components and re-check to see if noise enters the system. It may unfortunately turn out to be the equipment is at fault. Not all units are made to the same standards for noise rejection. Good Luck.
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nipplz 
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i used  filters and different grounds with no change.  i finally repaired the problem by installing a capacitor on the power output off the alternator.  this tip was given to me by an aircraft mechanic.  they have alot of problems with noise on the small airplanes.  i cannot remember the size or brand of capacitor but it was made specifically for alternator applications.  after finding this out i have found many alternator capacitors made by almost every brand out there. thanks for your help.

LinuxRacr 
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Well if you can find out what type/kind of capacitor, let us know. I want to try the same thing.
12vcrapper 
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The capicitor used in that type of configuration is technicly called a filter. It filters all the AC noise comming out of the altenator. Most altenators have bridge rectifiers inside to create the DC needed to power the electornics in the car. The rectifiers are not perfect DC creators. So most cars have filters built in. But once again even the filters are not perfect, hence some audio noise.

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