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kreg357 
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Posted: January 30, 2014 at 3:14 PM / IP Logged  

Have you tried another Python 594 unit yet?  Have you put a DMM on the H3/1 Pink wire?  It should only output 12V during a

remote start.   H3/1 is feed by H3/6.  Perhaps that relay is stuck on?

The Python 594 has four +12V power wires that should be connected to +12V constant battery source, H1/1 Red, H3/2 RED / White,

H3/6 Red and H3/9 RED / Black.  Additionally, the external relay for ACC2 needs +12V constant as shown in the wiring above.

Perhaps there are difference between the US market vehicles and your Murano.  Does the vehicles main ignition connector

match, wire for wire and pin by pin, with the wiring listed above?

Might help if you listed all your connections, including any bypass module used.

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uros 
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Posted: January 30, 2014 at 3:39 PM / IP Logged  
Hi
12v constant wire are all connected except H3/6 as I writed above, ACC 2 is wired corectly, Maybe there is A different betwen US and EU Murano,
Exmp.: i have 2006 but BCM is have not 40 pin conecctor and Can L and Can H was not in BCM but in obd 2 connector
but wires on ignition are like as said, test results
are as that should be.
Obout baypass what do you mean?
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Posted: January 30, 2014 at 3:53 PM / IP Logged  

US models have an ignition key with a transponder chip.  The vehicles ignition switch has an antenna that receives the keys' transponder chip info and then allows a start-up.  If you had a plain metal key made at a hardware store, it would open the doors and turn in the ignition cylinder but the vehicle would not start and run.  A bypass module is added and programmed during a remote start install to fool the vehicle into thinking a valid transponder chip is near the ignition cylinder.

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uros 
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Posted: January 30, 2014 at 11:02 PM / IP Logged  
Hi,
I have key with transponder inside, and for that
I have Flaslogic Flcan.
Even without the car should be cranking but not
ignite.
I will connect wires all over again today.
Do you know should both ACC wire have 12v at same time-key position or not.
Mjne red is acting up like Ignition wire.
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Posted: January 30, 2014 at 11:27 PM / IP Logged  
Might be best to list all your connections.  Also FLCAN info ( firmware & version and wire connections ).
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uros 
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Posted: January 30, 2014 at 11:37 PM / IP Logged  
ok
I will do that and write it up here.
What should I do with red ACC wire?
Thanks
uros 
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Posted: January 31, 2014 at 1:16 AM / IP Logged  
Hi
This is what I have discovered I have connected
H2/10 pink Ignition 1 Output wire to H3/1 wire
when I connect H3/6 fused to 12v the ignition pink wire H3/1 has 2V and relay is buzzing. If I disconect H2/10 then ignition is on constantly until I disconect red H3/6 wire.
My conncetions are:
Flcan to Python with D2D cable
Pink-Ignition input to car Ignition
trunk status input (-) cant findit on Python
H1/1 to Green 12v ignition
h1/2 to ground
h1/3 not used
h1/4 not used
h1/5 parking lights
h1/6 not used
h2 i will write only wire i have connected;
H2/2 netural sefty-ground
h2/10 to ignition wire in ignition connector
h2/16 brake to brake +
I will use other wires like rear defrost and sunroof, trunk release as soon as my remote start works
h3
h3/1 to car ignition
h3/2 to 12v const.
h3/3 to acc one
h3/4 to car side starter
h3/5 to key side starter
h3/6 to 12v const.
h3/7 to starter 2 programed in python menu
h3/8 not used
h3/9 to 12v const.
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Posted: January 31, 2014 at 6:25 AM / IP Logged  

The first question is :  What firmware is flashed on to the FLCAN?  I believe it should be FLC-AL(DL)-NI1 and the guide to use

is #5463 ( in the US ).  If you are going D2D, all of the dashed Orange lines are handled by the D2D harness connection.  Only
the solid Black lines must be hardwired.   That is two wires to the OBD2 connector for the CAN data wires and the optional
connections to the "Security Light" wire.  The Pink wire should connect to the Python H3/1 Pink wire ( which continues to the
Muranos' BLACK/ Red Ignition1 wire at the ignition switch harness ).

Next big question :  Did the FLCAN program properly to the vehicle?

Here is a link to the Viper 5904 install guide :  https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/file.asp?ID=1093    Download it and compare it

to your Python 594 system.  This is the manual I'm using.

Not sure when exactly you decided to make the connection between the H2/10 (-) Ignition Output to the H3/1 (+) Ignition Output,

but that is very wrong and it is very possible that your Python 594 is now bad.   The (-) 200mA igntion outputs ( H2/10, H2/18, H2/22
and H2/1 ) are meant to control relays and other low current negative uses.  I am not sure what connecting it to a 30 Amp (+) circuit
will do to the internal components of the 594 module.

Here is the detailed wiring list I expected you to provide :

H1/1 RED (+)12VDC CONSTANT INPUT     Green (40A)  (+)   @  ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 1

H1/2 BLACK (-) CHASSIS GROUND Chassis Ground
H1/3 BROWN (+) SIREN OUTPUT   Python siren
H1/4 WHITE/ BROWN PARKING LIGHT PIN 87a      Not used
H1/5 WHITE PARKING LIGHT OUTPUT  *** Set to (+)***     RED / blue (+)  above driver kick, gray 16 pin plug, pin 14
H1/6 ORANGE (-) 500mA G W A OUTPUT   Not used

H2/1 PINK/WHITE (-) 200mA IGNITION/FLEX RELAY OUTPUT     Not used

H2/2 BLACK/ WHITE (-) NEUTRAL SAFETY INPUT Chassis Ground
H2/3 BLUE/WHITE (-) 200mA 2ND STATUS /REAR DEFOG OUTPUT      Not used
H2/4 GREEN/ BLACK (-) 200mA OEM ALARM DISARM OUTPUT              Not used
H2/5 RED / WHITE (-) 200mA TRUNK RELEASE OUTPUT Not used    handled by FLCAN D2D
H2/6 GREEN (-) DOOR TRIGGER INPUT (N/C* OR N/O)    ***Default***     Not used    handled by FLCAN D2D
H2/7 BLACK / YELLOW (-) 200mA DOME LIGHT SUPER OUTPUT             Not used  
H2/8 BROWN / BLACK (-) 200mA HORN HONK OUTPUT   GREEN/ orange (-)  above driver kick, white 32 pin plug, pin 6
H2/9 DARK BLUE (-) 200mA STATUS OUTPUT    Not used, handled by FLCAN D2D. Might be needed for Keysense relay  
H2/10 PINK (-) 200mA IGNITION 1 OUTPUT         Not used
H2/11 WHITE/ BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 3 OUTPUT               Not used
H2/12 VIOLET (+) DOOR TRIGGER INPUT           Not used
H2/13 WHITE/ VIOLET (-) 200mA AUX 1 OUTPUT Not used
H2/14 VIOLET/BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 2 OUTPUT Not used
H2/15 ORANGE / BLACK (-) 200mA AUX 4 OUTPUT           Not used
H2/16 BROWN (+) BRAKE SHUTDOWN INPUT    RED / green (+)  above driver kick, gray 16 pin plug, pin 6
H2/17 GREY (-) HOOD PIN INPUT (N/C OR N/O) Not used    handled by FLCAN D2D ( if factroy equipped )
H2/18 VIOLET / YELLOW (-) 200mA STARTER OUTPUT     Not used    handled by FLCAN D2D
H2/19 BLUE (-) TRUNK PIN/ INSTANT TRIGGER INPUT (N/C OR N/O)     Not used    handled by FLCAN D2D  
H2/20 GREY/BLACK (-) DIESEL WAIT TO START INPUT   Not used  
H2/21 WHITE/ BLUE (-) REMOTE START/ TURBO TIMER Not used
H2/22 ORANGE (-) 200mA ACCESSORY OUTPUT   to Pin 85 of external relay for ACC2
H2/23 VIOLET/WHITE TACHOMETER INPUT         Not used    handled by FLCAN D2D
H2/24 GREEN / WHITE (-) 200mA OEM ALARM ARM OUTPUT         Not used

H3/1 Pink-Ingnition1 Input output               BLACK/ Red (+)  @ ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 3 and FLCAN Pink wire  

H3/2 RED / White   Green (40A)  (+)   @  ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 1
H3/3 Orange Accessory output                  Red (+)  @ ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 4
H3/4 Violet     Car side     BLACK/ Red (+)  @ ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 5
H3/5 Green    Switch side   BLACK/ Red (+)  @ ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 5
H3/6 Red fused 30A ignition input   Green (40A)  (+)   @  ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 1
H3/7 Pink/White Flex relay ***Set to Starter2***    BLACK / YELLOW  +  ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 6
H3/8 Pink/Black +Flex Relay input-           Not used
H3/9 RED / Black Fused 30A Acc/starter input        Green (40A)  (+)   @  ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 1  
*** Just noticed the error on the H3/7 wire in my earlier post, sorry.  This wire is used for Starter2 and the Python Menu 3
programming should reflect that.

1 BLUE (-) 500mA UNLOCK OUTPUT Not used    handled by FLCAN D2D 

2 EMPTY NOT USED
3 GREEN (-) 500mA LOCK OUTPUT   Not used    handled by FLCAN D2D

External 30/40 Amp Bosch style relay for ACC2

Relay Pin 85 to Python 594 H2/22 thin Orange (-) 200mA Accessory Output
Relay Pin 86 and 87 to Murano Green (40A)  (+)   @  ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 1, thru 20 Amp fuse
Relay Pin 30 to Murano WHITE/ Blue (+)  @ ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 2
Relay Pin 87a not used - insulate

On US models, DEI lists the Keysense wire as "Required" for remote starting.  Providing this signal to the vehicle will require

another relay, wired as below.
Relay Pin 85 to Python H2/9 Dark Blue (-) 200mA Status Output or H2/3 Blue/White ( if not used for Defog )
Relay Pin 86 and 87 to Murano Green (40A)  (+)   @  ignition switch, white 6 pin plug, pin 1, thru 5 Amp fuse
Relay Pin 30 to Murano Keysense, wire info below :
KEYSENSE  BLACK/ RED (+)  @ BCM, WHITE 40-PIN PLUG, PIN 37 
Keysense    RED / Blue to BLACK/ Red (required) (+)     @ ignition key switch or BCM, white 40 pin plug, pin 37

Once again, all this info is tailored for a US market vehicle.  It is apparent that your Murano is different because of the BCM ( and

possibly other modules and wiring ) and may not be accurate for your vehicle.

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uros 
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Posted: January 31, 2014 at 6:57 AM / IP Logged  
Hi,
first of all thank you for your help. ;)
I have removed
connection -200mA ignition output before I have used Python.
Problem was bad relay for ignition wires input/output i used DMM and beeper and found out that pins are connected all the time. This was factory eror!
I took relay 87a and wired it
85 to -200mA status output
86-87 constant 12v 40A
30 To car Iginition.
That was that. Remote start is working 100%
and alarm alsso after connting rest of wires.
Thank you again. Im prety angry at Directed Elec.
to sell this with malfunction.
Its ok if you live in US you send it back, for me sending it back is 200 $ shipping cost.
So thank you again.
kreg357 
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Posted: January 31, 2014 at 7:04 AM / IP Logged  

Good news!  Glad it is now working properly.  Was your Python 594 a "refurb" unit or Factory Brand new?

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