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1997 Cavalier w/ Passlock I problem


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backinblack_gp 
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Posted: March 07, 2004 at 7:17 PM / IP Logged  

Hi.  I am in the midst of installing a remote start/security system into my sister-in-law's 1997 Cavalier utilizing the Passlock I theft deterrant system.

I am planning on permanently bypassing the system using a relay and appropriate resistor, however when I attempt to read the resistance between the black bulb test wire and the computer side of the severed yellow ignition cylinder wire, my Fluke DMM fails to read because there is a voltage differential across these two wires.  If I use a cheap meter, I can sometimes read around 1.5M-Ohm resistance, but only if the meter leads are in one polarity.  If I switch the leads, my meter reads overload or out-of-range.  Of course, when the car is started either by remote or with the key, the computer shuts it down after 2 seconds.

Does anyone have any other clever tricks to workaround this problem?  Does anyone know the valid resistance ranges for the Passlock I system?  Is 1.5M-Ohm even valid itself?

At the moment, I have disabled the remote start feature, and reconnected the yellow Passlock wire, and she can still use the remote for keyless entry and alarm.

Is the shut down signal sent along the data bus to the PCM from the IC, or is this a different undocumented circuit that I can modify?

Thanks in advance for your help!

-=Brian=-

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Posted: March 07, 2004 at 7:43 PM / IP Logged  

hi your should be reading off key side of yellow wire not computer side

good luck
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Posted: March 07, 2004 at 9:56 PM / IP Logged  
hi, you should stop making things difficult and buy a 555L
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backinblack_gp 
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Posted: March 08, 2004 at 5:50 AM / IP Logged  

Oops, my bad.  I DID in fact attempt to read from the KEY cylinder side of the yellow wire, not the computer side, AND the car is a 1999, not a 1997.  (This is what I get for posting while half asleep... 1997 Cavalier w/ Passlock I problem -- posted image. )

I've read elsewhere on this site that the resistor/relay "fix" is more reliable than the bypass modules...  And in either case, I still need to be able to read the correct value to set the module...

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Posted: March 08, 2004 at 9:05 AM / IP Logged  
The prefabbed modules are easier to install but more expensive than the relay/resistor methods. Each has their own pro's and con's, but I like them odules because they are all self learning and the time it saves me with the installation is worth more than the couple of dollars that I save from the relay/resistor method.
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backinblack_gp 
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At the moment, she does not have the $$$ to put into the additional module, that is why I am leaning towards the relay & resistor/pot bypass.  We do not worry  much about having the vehicle stolen, mostly because of location, and the fact that it's just a Cavalier... 1997 Cavalier w/ Passlock I problem -- posted image.

Anyway, I still need to read the resistance across the bulb test wire and the yellow PL wire at the ignition side...  Is there an order of operations that I'm missing here, or what???

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Posted: March 09, 2004 at 12:06 AM / IP Logged  
Passlock I bypass diagram
Jeff
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Posted: March 09, 2004 at 12:11 AM / IP Logged  
I am prety sure the resistance needs to be mesured between the key side yellow and the black wire that is run with it. Not the bulb test wire.
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Posted: March 09, 2004 at 9:22 AM / IP Logged  
Yeah JakeJ is correct.
I recommend using this bypass method which is only a temporary bypass method which is best. I do recommend using this over a module for Cavaliers though and the 2 relays method is better than 1 from my experience.
Passlock I Temporary Bypass
It is Diagram 3 on the upper Right corner of the page.
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Posted: March 09, 2004 at 10:53 AM / IP Logged  
99 cavileers may use a pass lock 2 system. It is best to use a directed 555l bypass module or crimestopper makes a great self learning unit that wires into the purple wire at the diagnostic plug...One wire hook up just plug train and change the jumper to operating position. It is called a PLDATA. works on all the pass lock systems.
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