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alarmpro 
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Posted: February 05, 2003 at 6:24 PM / IP Logged  

Try upgrading your ground wire from your battery to your chasis ground.  The thicker the better.  Sounds like you have more than one ground loop...

O and the proper way to check for a good ground is to put the negative cable of your DMM on the negative of the battery cable and the positive to the spot where you want to ground.  Make sure you remove all paint and primer on the spot and test.  You should not read any voltage...If you get any voltage locate another spot until you get 0volts......

fireballuk2001 
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Posted: February 11, 2003 at 4:34 PM / IP Logged  

Right, well im going to tell you about how its set up right now, and the problems im facing. I know its not set up the proper way but im trying to eliminate the noises by different wiring...

I have 4awg wire for the positive going directly to the positive terminal, then 8awg to each amp from a power distributer. Exactly the same for the ground wires, i know its not the proper way but i tryed a proper earthing technique but it didnt help. These wires are run down the left hand side of the car. It powers a 300w amp for the 6x9s and a 600w amp for my sub. The noise is coming from both amps, and even from the hi-outputs of the head unit itself, but seemingly only from the rear channels, but not as loud as when amped. But when the 6x9s are direct to the head unit, all i hear is the alternator whine, but when amped, i hear everything electrical interfearing. My RCA's are run down the right hand side of the car. I've tried wiring the head unit directly to the battery too, but i still hear the noise. I've tried a noise supressor on the rca leads (plugs in line with the rcas) but it seemed to cut most of the sound, sorta like cutting all the mono sounds and only letting stereo through, but the noise was still there. I've also tried a supressor that is wired inline with the positive side of the head units power wires, but it did absolutely nothing.

Any sugestions? is this induced noise? should i try moving the rcas? I'll only try it if you believe this is the problem as its routed in the wells and is awquard and time consuming to move them....

Thanks in advance!

fakepete 
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Posted: February 11, 2003 at 4:56 PM / IP Logged  

You mentioned before you might be using a shielded RCA cable.  If this is the case, make sure the shield is only connected to ground at the headunit end and the end at the amp is left disconnected.  Instead of removing the RCA's you can just unplug them and run another set through the car temporarily for testing.

fireballuk2001 
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Posted: February 14, 2003 at 5:22 PM / IP Logged  
Looks like they're not shielded... they're the standard 2 wires per channel jobbies, but are of an oxygen free type... Oh i'd also like to note that when i connected a personal cd player to the rcas (the ones installed already) there was no noise... any ideas?
fakepete 
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Posted: February 16, 2003 at 4:04 AM / IP Logged  
Well then the problem has to be in the HU somewhere. Do you have another HU you could try?
fireballuk2001 
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Posted: February 17, 2003 at 6:48 AM / IP Logged  
Yea, i borrowed a Head Unit from one of my friends, and it did exactly the same thing.
fakepete 
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Posted: February 17, 2003 at 2:04 PM / IP Logged  
Try putting a 4700uF (or larger)cap between the power and ground for the HU. It will act as a filter and maybe kill some of the noise.
fireballuk2001 
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Posted: February 17, 2003 at 4:40 PM / IP Logged  
Ok, i'll try anything at the moment Testing Ground Points - Page 2 -- posted image. Would that have to be between the constant live and the ground or the ignition live and ground? or should i get 2 and try both?
fakepete 
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Posted: February 18, 2003 at 8:36 AM / IP Logged  
Yes, put them between both. I might or might not work, but caps that size a cheap and its worth a try since nothing else seems to be working.
fakepete 
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Posted: February 18, 2003 at 8:45 AM / IP Logged  
I forgot to mention, chances are it will be a polarized cap, so make sure you connect it properly. Also make sure the voltage rating is high enough. Standards are 16VDC and 25VDC I think.
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