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mcben789 
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Posted: October 14, 2007 at 6:56 PM / IP Logged  
hey i'm having to sell my car and i'm looking at doing a completely different system in the car i will be purchasing.
pretty much everyone around where i live have just all bass systems with terrible cd players or in dash dvd players(i don't like in dash dvd players). so as you can tell i'm not exposed to quality sq. without really searching the net i just saved up money and bought some stuff that looked good for my old ride:
in my last ride (forgot product #'s) but it was kicker and fosgate speakers and a pioneer head unit with a fosgate sub. i know those aren't bad brands but i'm sure there are better brands for sq.
i've been reading around and these are a few of my choices i have lined up...my price range is around 150 to 200 dollars on the front components and i don't want to spend over 100 on the rear fills:
Infinity 60.7cs      $149
Clif Designs CD60.4C $149
Phoenix Gold RSd65cs $129
MB Quart RVF 216     $169
i was just thinking about getting the same brand for rear fills. i was also looking around these forums and everyone says eclipse is the bomb so i was looking at those head units and this nakamichi. my price range is about 150 to 200 bucks:
Nakamichi CD-300
Eclipse CD1000
thanks alot guys and sorry if y'all get these questions all the time...i searched before i posted :) oh yeah and i don't have my mind dead set on anything yet so please enlighten my on other brands and or whatever      thanks again.
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Steven Kephart 
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Posted: October 15, 2007 at 1:35 AM / IP Logged  

I suggest taking the money you were planning on spending on the rear speakers, and instead add it to your front speaker budget.  That way you will be spending the money on the area that will give you the most return.  From there, I suggest you go to the local shops and do some auditioning.  When you find the speakers that sound best to you in your budget, purchase them from that shop. 

For head units, I suggest Eclipse.  I had heard great things about Nakamichi as well, but then found out that the shop I work at had huge issues with their build quality and customer service in the past and dropped them.  At our shop we swap out any defective product with new equipment and send the it back to the manufacturer.  That way the customer isn't without equipment for long periods of time.  But this means that if the manufacturer doesn't cover it under warranty (like Nakamichi was keen on doing) then we would be out the money.  This is much worse if they have a high failure rate.  So we are careful with the brands we carry. 

I have one suggestion for a sub.  Exodus Audio will be releasing a 12" and 15" sub soon that you really should look into.  You won't find a better value on the market.  In fact you would be hard pressed to find a better performer at any price point.  Here's the link: http://www.audiocircle.com/circles/index.php?topic=43520.0

mcben789 
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Posted: October 15, 2007 at 10:55 AM / IP Logged  
first off thanks for helping me out.
the thing is i don't have any car audio shops around here with decent speakers( i live in a very small town and the town next to me has a hoopers and an audio advantage--not bad shops but i've listened to them and its mainly mtx, memphis, pioneer, and diamond).
i'm not very impressed with these brands and i was looking to go for something way different from these brands.
so you suggest i keep my stock rears? and i was just looking for quality brands..thanks again.
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Posted: October 15, 2007 at 11:58 AM / IP Logged  

It is difficult to recommend main stage speakers for another person.  What Diamond speakers did you hear and what was it you didn't like about them?

BTW, the new Shiva-X subwoofer is an outstanding driver for the money.

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mcben789 
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Posted: October 15, 2007 at 3:16 PM / IP Logged  
i have just heard the subs (d3's). i could see why it would be hard to recommend since you don't really know what i'd listen to (i listen to everything). so as you can tell i'm not exposed to alot of stuff.
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Posted: October 15, 2007 at 5:10 PM / IP Logged  
You really should take a listen to some diamond audio speakers, they are pretty special units.
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mcben789 
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Posted: October 15, 2007 at 10:43 PM / IP Logged  
i think i have my front part picked out (don't know what you guys call it)--MB Quart DSG 216
would just mount those in my front doors and ditch the back doors or should i invest in some mids? my last car i had 6.5 kicker mids(laugh it up) they were terrible and even a rookie like me could tell that.
also i was looking at maybe a crossover. would i just need a 2-way for my front speakers(not sub)? and if i did get a crossover would it be a significant difference if i did or didn't get one? (i'm full of questions). or should i not get the crossover and use the one in the h.u.? i'm pretty sure the Eclipse CD3100 has an eq in it but will that be sufficient. also would i still use the passive xovers that the components came with if i got another active xover.(i think i called them the correct name hha).
wow i don't know anything...thanks alot.
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Steven Kephart 
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Posted: October 16, 2007 at 1:50 AM / IP Logged  

mcben789 wrote:
would just mount those in my front doors and ditch the back doors or should i invest in some mids? 

Are you talking about mids for the rear?  Again put as much money in the front speakers as you can as that will get you the most return in performance on your money.  The front speakers are responsible for a majority of the sound you hear and within the bandwidth your ears are most sensitive.  Rear fill IMO detracks from the front soundstage.  But if you have to have it, it should be the last part of your system you focus on. 

mcben789 wrote:
also i was looking at maybe a crossover. would i just need a 2-way for my front speakers(not sub)? and if i did get a crossover would it be a significant difference if i did or didn't get one? (i'm full of questions). or should i not get the crossover and use the one in the h.u.? i'm pretty sure the Eclipse CD3100 has an eq in it but will that be sufficient.

An outboard crossover will more than likely be more accurate and flexible than whats built into the head unit or amplifier.  However that will only be handy if you know how to set it up properly. 

mcben789 wrote:
also would i still use the passive xovers that the components came with if i got another active xover.(i think i called them the correct name hha). 

You will definitely want to still use the passive crossovers.  You can't just put an active crossover in line and expect the same results. A passive crossover is designed by taking measurements of both drivers (tweeter and woofer) in their intended location and using those measurements to design a crossover that will "voice" the speaker system to the final desired response. There is more than just a set slope at a certain frequency in the design. It also takes into account differing acoustic levels, impedances, and their responses together to create the desired final sound. That will all be lost if you used an active crossover.

mcben789 
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Posted: October 16, 2007 at 3:33 PM / IP Logged  
so i'm just kind of confused on speaker placement. would i put the components i'm getting that i'll be spending the most on be in the front doors or tweeter somewhere different etc? and i was talking about putting midbass in the backdoors.
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Posted: October 16, 2007 at 10:04 PM / IP Logged  

I suggest first looking at front door locations for all midbass, midrange and tweeters, as these will all work together to form the stereo image.  Drivers should be as close to each other as you can get them.  The door body, all sheet metal, should be well damped.  And the door panel should be well sealed with caulk and tape.

If the doors are prepped well, you will appreciate the utilization of the ~2 cu ft of door cavity airspace that the woofers are intended to be used in.

Two-way or three-way component sets using the crossovers that they are packaged with is the best way to go.  Two-ways are by far the most common choice and are easiest to set up for good sound.

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