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joex 
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Posted: July 07, 2013 at 9:26 AM / IP Logged  
I just bought a car he has the ultrastart 72 series remote start installed. it worked but he said he had disconnected the battery a while back and never programmed it again. I got 2 remotes with it.
Instructions say to program it, cycle key on/off   on/off on , then leave it on and press and hold velet switch. I press and hold and no horn,
and the LED on the velet switch dont light up, but if i leave the car off, and press the unlock button a few times fast the led lights up, but then turn the key back on and it goes off.
No horn, no parking lights light up..
Do ya cycle the key fast slow, after ya cycle the key, does the LED supposed to light up or no.
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Posted: July 07, 2013 at 1:38 PM / IP Logged  
Usually a simple power loss will not lose any of the programming, even the FOB's should still be paired-up.   That's the way they come in the box from the factory and
rarely have I ever had to re-pair the remotes.
Kinda wonder if it ever worked. You must be careful when doing a remote pairing procedure. There is not too much difference between that, the Valet Mode entry & exit
and a full factory reset. The U1272 must see the vehicles Ignition wire to go into any programming / reset modes. You can put a DMM on the U1272's thick Blue wire
to check if there is +12V on it with the ignition ON.
Think I would find the main module and pull the two fuses on the thick Red wires. Wait a minute or to and plug them back in. If the horn is wired correctly, it should beep.
If it doesn't, check to see if the WHITE/ Blue horn wire is connected to the vehicles horn wire.
Next try a Lock or Unlock. The Parking Lights should flash. If they don't, listen for a relay click or check the White Parking Light output wire.
While it might help, doing a Factory reset could loose some important programming, depending on the vehicle and bypass used. That info ( vehicle make / model / year )
would be very helpful.
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joex 
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Posted: July 07, 2013 at 2:20 PM / IP Logged  
ok..
i know it did work, i seen it work when i looked at it a couple months ago. maybe the batterys in the FOBS are dead or going dead, the little blue leds on the FOBS do light up,
Where are the main boxes usually installed? I found the antenna, up top windshield,
From what ive read, most are installed under the dash, drivers side, i can pull some panels off and look around, maybe follow the antenna wire down too.
the car is a 1995 oldsmobile 88 royale.
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Usually under the dash. Follow the antenna wire.
Your car should have the VATS immobilizer system ( resistor chip in key blade ) so there should be some type of bypass module also. Usually a smaller black box.
Your door locks are Type A, so there should be some relays or another little black box ( Directed 451M ) down there, too.
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joex 
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Ok so i found the box, im wondering about that little blue wire that isnt connected to anything....
is that the horn wire? lol i cant find a cut wire up in there nowhere, can i run a new wire to the horn from that?
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joex 
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i think from the install manual on the ultrastarters website , it says maybe thats the tach detection input
joex 
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Ok so yea i just followed number 5, the blue/white next to the pink one, thats the horn, it goes up and over where the e-brake pedal is, and down but thats it, its not connected to anything. and its not tapped off..
can i run that horn wire to the horn then?
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Looks like they de-pinned all the "un-used" wires.   ultrastart 72 series program issue -- posted image.
Yes, the Blue/White is the Tach Input. Think I would connect that to a good Tach source. Tach mode always
works best, especially in the colder climates. You can do that after you get everything else sorted.
The WHITE/ Blue goes to the cars horn wire. It should be easy to find. Here is the info from ReadyRemote :
Horn Trigger  Black (-) @ steering column
That little black box with the Green, Blue and Red wires from the U1272 converts the lock outputs to (+) for your
door locks.
Those two Green 30 Amp fuses are the power to the R/S. There shouldn't be any special programming options
set, so a U1272 Factory Reset is OK to do. If you do the reset, then connect the Tach wire and it will auto-tach
learn the first time you start the engine with the key. Here is the info on a Tach source :
Tachometer     PURPLE / White   AC     @ ignition coil
I don't see any VATS bypass, so maybe then did a permanent bypass on it already...
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joex 
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Posted: July 07, 2013 at 4:16 PM / IP Logged  
ok ive never even messed with one of these, so. to hook it up to a tach source lol.... umm...
i am not gonna rip apart the steering column,
i think i will just find someone who knows this stuff and pay them a little to fix this up for me. i would rather pay then to screw it up even worse myself.
i have 2 horns, theres a black wire on each and an orangish yellewish wire. a pos and neg. just hook to the black.
but the tach wire i dont have a clue.
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Posted: July 07, 2013 at 4:20 PM / IP Logged  
No, don't connect to the horns in the engine compartment. That probably won't work with the weak U1272 (-) Horn output. You should go to the steering column and grab the actual horn button wire. It' low current (-).
Think if you check the Ultra Start WEB site they have a list of authorized dealers / installers and you can find one close by.
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