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Adding a remote start to a factory keyless entry


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Hello, I am looking for a remote start unit that will adapt to the factory keyless entry system so I don't have to use a seperate remote for the keyless entry and the remote start.  I want to keep on using the factory remote.  Who makes them and where can it be purchased?

I will be installing this in a '99 Toyota Avalon...also, I know that it has the transponder type key, I am assuming that I can just use the same basic bypass module with an extra key...am I correct?

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Transponder key:  Yes, get one of the modules that uses an extra key.  Look for something where the coil of wire that goes around the key cylinder is already pre-looped, like the Audiovox AS-TCBM or DEI's 555U.  The kind where you have to make the loop yourself seem to be more picky about their placement, making them more time-consuming to install.

Remote start running off the factory keyless:  There are some units on the market.  But Toyota's keyless entry doesn't work with the motor running---go ahead and check for yourself.  So after you're remote started your car, you'll have to use the keys to get in---that's no fun.  You could probably modify the factory keyless to work at all times, but it would hardly be worth all the effort.

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Not only that, but factory keyless entry usually has poor range.  Not much good if you have to be within 10 feet of the car to start it :D
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I've installed 2 remote starters on cars that already
had keyless entry. One was the factory keyless entry that had another channel on the remote, so I hooked up to that. For that car, I installed a relay, so when the car was remotely running, it cut the ign power to the alarm (so the alarm didn't know the car was running), and the keyless entry would still work. Then when you disengage the remote starter and drive the car, the relay will shut off and so will the alarm.
The other car had a Viper 300 keyless entry, and I did the same thing to that because the remote starter was a bulldog. So you can still use the keyless entry on the viper remote. Pretty cool.
Not sure how easy it would be with a factory keyless entry, though....might be tough to find or work with.
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its easy you can buy a dei 551t this will work cause what you do is press the lock button three times and it will remote start and once to shut it off. it is a very easy unit cheap and yes the keyless entry usually shuts off when the car is on but i have not done your car yet like this but i have done this model remote start on far more advanced cars than yours and it works really good so go with this. take my word for.
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and yes your need to one loose a key and two use the 555u from dei this is a unit that has to be tested with by changing the location of the ring around the key cylinder.
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you will have to sue either the RED / yellow wire (power lock) or the white red wire for the (lock motor) to activate the alarm you will need to convert the lock wire to negative trigger with a relay if the keyles entry wire and the power lock wire are opposite.
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Posted: November 07, 2002 at 11:51 PM / IP Logged  

cpgoose

I am not familiar with Toyota's keyless system.  Does it have a extra channel?  If not, I know that I have to connect it with the door lock system...what wire(s) do I have to bypass to make the system think that the car is not running?

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I'm not real familiar with Toyota either....the two cars I did were a Ford Taurus and Honda Civic.  The wire that I cut so the alarm/keyless entry didn't know the car was running was the ignition wire that goes from the alarm to the car's ignition wire.  I cut that wire in half, and then used a relay.  When the remote starter was running, it "seperated" the alarm's ignition wire so it wouldn't know.  When the remote starter was disabled (and you go to drive the car), the relay "reconnected" the alarm's ignition wire so the alarm would receive the signal that the car is running.  (or in your case, the keyless entry....not sure if you have an alarm or not)
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I just did a remote start on a '97 Avalon this morning.  It was actually my first remote start install on one of the older-style Avalons, so I did some testing to see what shortucts I could find for next time.  so I remembered a few things about the car.

You can certainly do exactly as cpgoose says; interrupt the ignition input to the factory keyless with a relay, so it doesn't know that the car is running.  But, the factory keyless/security module is practically buried---I found it, but I couldn't access the wires.  If you remove the entire glove box and the lower passenger dash, you can look in there and see it----it's black, plastic, and says "Toyota Security" or something like that. 

Also, the black plastic panel that sits above the passenger's toes just snaps off.  Move your hand as far toward the right-hand side of the car, and then reach way, way, way up---your hand will actually be about even with the top of the glove box, but on the backside.  If you operate the car's power door locks, you'l feel the unit clicking.  Good luck trying to access its wires.

What is it that makes you want to keep the factory remotes?  There are plenty of aftermarket units on the market with good-looking, factory-appearing remotes.  And the Avalon is an easy car.  Keyless entry is only two extra wires---and I managed to keep the factory driver's-priority unlocking.  Trunk release is only one wire.  And I managed to use my remotes to arm and disarm the factory alarm too.

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