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blair99 
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Posted: September 23, 2010 at 5:50 PM / IP Logged  

I have a CompuStar 2W8000FMR (3000) (CM3000 brain) installed in my car. I have a 2007 Grand Prix base model. When i start the car with the car starter it turns on then off then on... and it keeps happening.

On the display of the car it says...               "starting disabled due to theft system"

How do i fix this so i can start my car with the car starter.   It's starting to get cold out.

thanks

beegbie 
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Posted: September 23, 2010 at 6:35 PM / IP Logged  
More important than what remote start is in the car is what override was used to take care of the pk3 chip in the key. This car is notorious for not liking any type of module.
In my opinion, the only sure fire way to take care of this is to go to a GM dealer and purchase a uncut non programmed key for the car and bring it to where you had the remote start done and have them remove the bypass and install the key in a box. They will understand this terminology.
If there is already a key installed in the car it may just have to be reprogrammed. Good luck.
blair99 
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Posted: September 24, 2010 at 6:02 AM / IP Logged  

This system came with the car when i bought it so i can't take it to who installed it.

"More important than what remote start is in the car is what override was used to take care of the pk3 chip in the key."

What remote start is in my car what do you mean?

blair99 
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Posted: September 24, 2010 at 6:03 AM / IP Logged  
is there know way i can do this my self
t&t tech 
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No, he means, the car has a factory anti theft deterrent which will prevent the car from starting without the proper key, so this has to be bypassed, not doing so will cause your no start problems. And judging by your questions and the vehicle you're working with i think you should consult professionals.
blair99 
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ok. Dose anyone know how to bypass it them selfs or could refer me to  a tutorial on how to do it my self
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Posted: September 28, 2010 at 7:14 AM / IP Logged  

OK, here goes.  Lets assume that the Remote Start system was properly installed and working at one time...

That means besides the the Compustart CM3000 remote start control unit, there was an additional bypass unit.  There is a CM3000 install guide in the downloads section of this site.  Download that and become familiar with the Compustar wiring and functionallity.  It is not the complete install guide but does show the wiring.

Next locate the wiring guides for your car.  Bulldog has it :  http://www.bulldogsecurity.com/bdnew/vehiclewiringdiagrams.asp   It is also on this site :  https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp~TID~94625  ( 2004-2007 are the same).   It says your car uses the PK3 immobilizer system.  Here is a link to some good to know  PK3 details ( Page 3 ) :   http://www.bsecorp.com/files/techtips/ST9303l.pdf    There are many ways the previous installer could have bypassed this system.  From a simple "spare key in a box", to a home made "key-wrap", to an actual bypass module.  Here is a link to DEI's offerings for your car :  http://www.xpresskit.com/VehicleCompatibility.aspx?p=-1&year=2007&make=Pontiac&model=Grand%20Prix&ps=3&s=0   Here is the listing from Fortin  :  https://ifar.ca/en/vehicles/pontiac/grand_prix/2007/   And here a link to the iDatalink to look up your car :    http://www.idatalink.com/helpdesk/  Become familiar with them and their install guides so you know what to look for when you start taking your car apart.

The two places to look are at the ignition cylinder itself and the CM3000 brain.  On the CM3000 find the Black wire at CN2 Pin 2.  That will typically go to and control the bypass module.  Under the steering wheel cover, at the ignition cylinder look for additional wires wrapped around the key end of it.  If found, follow them back to "something".  It could be a small black box, a key wrapped in black tape, etc.

Once you know how the PK3 was bypassed, then you can decide on your next step.  There are a myriad of possibilities at this point.  If it's a module, then check for a wiring break / problem.  If all that looks OK, then perhaps a reset and re-program is needed.  It's one thing to install a remote start system from scratch, choosing all the componants and another to troubleshoot someone elses choices and work....  You have to be knowledge of the entire spectrum of models, wiring, programming, and each of their peculiarities.

Hope this gets you started.

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Posted: September 28, 2010 at 9:03 AM / IP Logged  
Kreg, t&t is so right this is a can of worms even for an expert.
I see lots of problems here.
blair99 
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Posted: September 28, 2010 at 6:24 PM / IP Logged  

Thanks a lot for this information now i can go in my car and figure out my next step... I am betting there is no bypass module!  The only thing i know right now about the wiring is

https://i626.photobucket.com/albums/tt341/9blair99/scan.jpg?t=1285714691

The pink highlighted stuff is not installed everything else is.... But haven't checked the other side of the Compustart CM3000

( it actually might be worth my time to take it to a professional just because there is a list of stuff not installed)

First off i am just guessing it's not working because CN1 (7) CN2 (3) wirers not installed

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Posted: September 28, 2010 at 8:26 PM / IP Logged  

With nothing connected to CN2 Pin 2 you are probably correct, no bypass installed. 

The CM3000 with the 2W800FRM remotes is a very nice system.  It would be worth the money to have it checked out and made fully functional by a local professional installer.  Check for installer listings in the 12 volt.

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