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aziegler 
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Posted: December 21, 2007 at 1:09 AM / IP Logged  

Hi All, New member, first post, kind of nervous:-) **Awsome Site !!!**

I have an 05 ram 3500 diesel, auto that I am going to install a remote start into. The make/model is an Autopage rs727.

I used to have an off brand remote starter in it a couple years ago. I removed it for two reasons, distance was to limited, and I installed it to use the voltage sensing instead of the tach sensing. I could not convince myself tap into the wire next to the ECM at the lower front of the motor for fear of the moisture etc corroding the wire and causing problems. The voltage sensing worked when the weather was warm. When it got cold (Alaska) the glow plugs would kick on repetitively and the unit would see the fluctuation of voltage and shut of the motor just to restart it 20 second later. Not a good situation to repeat this cycle over and over until the engine warmed to the point where the glow plugs stops cycling on.

After another winter without it I have decided to install this better unit and tap into the tach wire if needed.

I would like to know if there are any other location I can pick up the or a suitable signal for this unit. If I must go tot he PCM for the tach signal, which wire would it be, and is there a preferred way to protect it from the harsh environment?

Are there any other trick I should know about this model of remote starter?

THX,

Andy

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PASSIVE ANTI-THEFT YES TRANSPONDER   SEE NOTES 
 12 VOLTS Red (2 wires) Ignition harness   + 
 IGNITION Pink/white Ignition harness   + 
 IGNITION 2 Pink/green Ignition harness   + 
 ACCESSORY Blue (large gauge) Ignition harness   + 
 ACCESSORY 2 Pink / YELLOW Ignition harness   + 
 There are 2 wires of this color and one of them turns off the ABS light on remote start. You will need to test both.
 STARTER Yellow Ignition harness   + 
 KEY SENSE Violet/tan Ignition harness   - 
 TACH SIGNAL SEE NOTES     
 On the 5.2L and 5.9L engines, the Tach wire can be found at the coil on the engine near the distributor. Program you cylinder setting according to the number of cylinders. On the 8.0L V10 engine there are 2 coils packs on the right side of the engine. Use the BLACK/ GRAY at the 6-pack for a 2 cylinder reference.
 DIESEL TACH SIGNAL Dk.blue/gray On C1 plug at ECM   AC 
 The ECM is located on the lower driver's side of the engine. The C1 connector is the plug closest to the radiator.
 FUEL INJECTOR Opposite from Dk.GREEN/ orange At any injector on engine   AC 
 LOCK Violet/blue At harness to rear in driver's kickpanel   - 
 One wire system. Use a ground pulse through a 470-ohm resistor to disarm factory security (a second pulse will unlock the doors. A ground pulse through a 2-kohm resistor will arm security and lock the doors. See the door lock diagram for details.
 UNLOCK Violet/blue At harness to rear in driver's kickpanel   - 
 One wire system. Use a ground pulse through a 470-ohm resistor to disarm factory security (a second pulse will unlock the doors. A ground pulse through a 2-kohm resistor will arm security and lock the doors. See the door lock diagram for details.
 GLO-PLUG SIGNAL DATA ONLY USE DELAY TIMER    
 DOORPIN SEE NOTES     
 Violet (driver's door) & Violet/white (rear left door) both found in a harness on the left side of the brake pedal. Violet/white (pass. Door) & Violet / YELLOW (rear right door) both found in passenger kick panel.
 FACTORY ARM Arms with lock wire     
 FACTORY DISARM Disarms with unlock     
 BRAKESWITCH WHITE/ tan At switch above brake pedal   + 
 PARKLIGHTS WHITE/ lt.green At light switch harness   - 
 Ground this wire through a 330-Ohm resistor to activate parking lights. The wire should be openned with a relay to prevent feedback to the switch. See the diagram.
 HORN Dk.GREEN/ violet At steering column   - 
 VSS WIRE Dk.GREEN/ YELLOW At PCM pin C1-13    
 DATABUS INTERFACE Pin-2(top row from left) Diagnostic plug below dash   DATA 

Set your unit to "wait to start" for 30 seconds.

ralphtonka 
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glow plug @solenoid below air intake on pass fender. remove 14awg wire, test w/ key off to on will read 12v, or open if heated intake not required (engine is already warm) cant remember wire colour. on 06+ it is brown yellow
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If you just set a timer.... if the unit has one, no connection is needed for the glowplug. It will start everytime, hot, or cold.
ralphtonka 
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just metioned glo plug cuz he is form Alaska
aziegler 
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Thanks guys,

I like the glow plug wire use method. My previous starter used the timer method. When it was really cold it did not waite long enough for the glow plug to cycle off.

The chart from KarTuneMan shows to use the ECM wire for the tach signal.

 DIESEL TACH SIGNAL Dk.blue/gray On C1 plug at ECM   AC 
 

The ECM is located on the lower driver's side of the engine. The C1 connector is the plug closest to the radiator.

Is this the only location to pick up an appropriate signal.  On these Rams the ECm is in a very bad location for tapping into.  I would prefer to use a different source if possible. Also if I need to use the ECM wire, how best to protect the connection from the elements?

Thanks,

Andy

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Use the cam sensor at the front of the engine at the lower portion of the fan. The wire will vary according the the truck but I've had GREY/BLUE and also TAN / YELLOW for the wire colors. There are only 3 wires at this connector so you can use the trial and error method.
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Velocity Motors wrote:
Use the cam sensor at the front of the engine at the lower portion of the fan. The wire will vary according the the truck but I've had GREY/BLUE and also TAN / YELLOW for the wire colors. There are only 3 wires at this connector so you can use the trial and error method.
DITTO. much easier than sifting through that huge harness with no slack the ecm
aziegler 
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Posted: December 25, 2007 at 9:22 PM / IP Logged  

Thanks for the infor so far.

KarTuneMan: I did not know what you ment by "set the timer".  My previous starter did not have this option.  I got the unit running this afternoon with the timer method.  The AutoPage 727 is not the friendliest unit to program.  I am looing for a little more detailed information on the Lock/Unlock circuits and the driving light circuit.

The Lock trigger is a single negative pulse through a 2Kohm resister for luck, and the unlock is a double pulse through a 470 ohm resister.  I'm assuming that a relay is not required for these circuits and if I buy these resistors it should work installed directly inline. I am looking for a more detailed diagram or description of what is required over what is available in the instructions.

The programming options for the Lock/Unlock are***** 1) 0.8 second door lock & unlock  *****  2) 3.5 second door lock & unlock ***** 3) 0.8 second lock, 0.35 second unlock****** 4) 0.8 sec. dbl lock, 0.8 sec. dbl unlock.  What would be required for my vehicle?

On the parking light I have the correct WHITE/ green wire at the switch location, do I need to install a relay on the -trigger before the target wire?  If so, how do I wire a relay for a negative trigger circuit?

Thanks,

Andy   

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Posted: December 25, 2007 at 10:39 PM / IP Logged  

Program you unit to do:

4) 0.8 sec. dbl lock, 0.8 sec. dbl unlock

this is the only one i see that does double pulse.

1) The Lock trigger is a single negative pulse through a 2Kohm resister for luck, and the unlock is a double pulse through a 470 ohm resister.  I'm assuming that a relay is not required for these circuits and if I buy these resistors it should work installed directly inline.

i have done that befor on a prostart unit for a mazda. didnt bother using a relay and it works fine. make sure it is the trigger wire for the lock/unlock relay. if u grab the wrong wire such as the actuator, you will toast ur unit nicely.

2) On the parking light I have the correct WHITE/ green wire at the switch location, do I need to install a relay on the -trigger before the target wire?  If so, how do I wire a relay for a negative trigger circuit?

85 - Ground

86 - parking light output from starter (+)
87 - Ground (high current) with 330 ohm resistor inline.
87a - cut parking light wire, connect from Lamp Switch Side.
30 - to parking light wire (end that is cut - car side)

diode across 85 and 86, white band (cathode) on 86.

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