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tehmenace 
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Posted: March 20, 2008 at 10:35 PM / IP Logged  
Ok, I set everything to 0 (gain, bass boost, sub volume control, etc.) and turned my music up to about 3/4 volume on the head unit and slowly turned the gain up. The subs started to hit harder and harder and then I got to a volume where it wasnt even close to sounding distorted at. It was hitting fine for about 3 minutes at a little less than 1/2 of the head unit volume and then it cut out again. There was no bass coming out of the subs or speakers.
I am going to try and remove a sub tomorrow and see if anything is coming loose inside the box.
audioman2007 
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Posted: March 21, 2008 at 9:56 AM / IP Logged  
Ok, so now when your sub cut out, you also lost bass to your speakers? But your sub is wired to the amp and your speakers are wired to the headunit? That totally sounds like a headunit problem dealing with its bass output. It could very well be the internal amplifier is bad.
01trublugt 
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Posted: March 21, 2008 at 11:15 AM / IP Logged  

I am really leaning towards a head unit issue as I posted earlier.

If under proper working conditions, your subs play as normal and there is bass comming from your highs(inside speakers) then once the subs cut out, the bass from the inside speakers cuts off as well it has to be something internal on the radio.

If there was something loose on the back of the subs it should only effect the subs, the problem will not go through the RCA's and change the way the head units internal amplifier puts out.

Is there any way you could clarify this:

1.) What brand and model # head unit.

2.) Under normal operating conditions is there bass comming from your highs?

tehmenace 
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Posted: March 21, 2008 at 5:53 PM / IP Logged  
Ok. I have a Panasonic CQ-C3333U head unit. And yes, under normal conditions when everything is working there is bass coming out of my speakers along with bass from the subs.
audioman2007 
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Yea  it has to be something internal with the headunit. Try unplugging the RCA's so that there is no sub then listen to your music. If the problem goes away, then you have a problem with the RCA's on the headunit. You could then disconnect the speaker outputs from the headunit  but keep the RCA's plugged in so that you ONLY have subwoofer working and see what happens.

What I am trying to figure out is when this problem happens. If it ONLY happens when the speakers and sub are hooked up, then you have a problem with the headunit. The headunit is having problems powering both things (which there shouldnt be a problem).

tehmenace 
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Posted: March 25, 2008 at 7:20 PM / IP Logged  
Ok, I just got back from a trip so I haven't been able to try anything.
I just went out and unplugged the RCAs from my headunit and there was bass coming out of the speakers but it was really faint and very distorted sounding. All settings on the headunit were on 0. When everything was working I remember being able to feel the bass coming out of those speakers when my leg was up against it while driving. There is very little bass at all now.
I am thinking I need to go out and purchase a new HU.
audiocableguy 
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Posted: March 25, 2008 at 10:25 PM / IP Logged  
"If you were to take a headunit, wire 4 speakers to it and max out its volume, the speakers would cut in and out. Thats clipping". audioman 2007, 1st page.
This is 100% false. A forum search 'clipping' will explain the facts.
tehmenace 
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Posted: March 26, 2008 at 11:02 AM / IP Logged  
Do you believe that my head unit is bad?
01trublugt 
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Posted: March 26, 2008 at 11:56 AM / IP Logged  

Ok here is something I just have to ask.

You are running 2 12's for bass however you are using the headunit to power your highs. I can only imagine that your bass(when everything was working) was wayyyyy louder than your highs. Now you said the bass is not there like it used to be, well it is there but faint and distorted.

Any chance you blew your speakers??????

My guess is, and again this is just my guess:

You were running the highs with what, maybe 12 watts RMS from the head unit? Depending on how you had the subs wired anywhere from 400-1000 watts to the 12's. I think you were turning the volume up on the head unit too much trying to get the highs to equal the bass and blew the speakers.

How easily can you access the front side of your interior speakers? If you can get to them easy with the system off push the woofer in, if it feels stiff and gritty and does not go in and out smoothly then you blew your speakers. More than likely your head units amp was clipping and killed the speakers.

Next for the subs do the same thing, push on it and see if they slide in and out smoothly, if not you know what happened. If they do you really need to find an external music source to test them. I use my iPod, get a cable with RCA's on one end and a headphone jack on the other end. Hook it up and press play. If the subs work like they should then your problem is either your head unit or your RCA cables.

To eliminate the RCA cables, get another RCA cable that you know is good. Pull the radio, disconnect the ones you are using now and just run the new ones from the head unit to the amp. If the problem is still there you know it is the head unit, if not then you know it is the RCA's.

Now if the problem with the subs persists no matter what you do you have to test them seperate from the amp. Normally I would just hook them up to my home stereo reciever and see what happens. If you don't have access to a home reciever try and see if maybe a friend with a working system will let you hook up your subs in his car real quick to see what happens. 

There are only so many parts in a car stereo, this is not rocket science.

Here is the steps I would take address the subs first and before you start to isolate the subs issue I would disconnect all the interior speakers that are hooked up to the head units internal amp:

1.) Hook up external music player to subs and see if they work. If it works, go to step 2, if it dosen't skip to step 3 (This step will eliminate the speakers and the amp if it works, leaving only the head unit and RCA's as suspect; if it does not work it will leave the amp and speakers as the suspect)

2.) Hook up a known to be good RCA cable in place of your existing one. If it works change out RCA's if it does not work change out head unit.(This step will eliminate the RCA's and if the problem is still there leaves only the head unit)

3.) Hook up subs to an external amplifier that you know works. If it works replace amp, if it dosen't pull the subs from the box and check all wires and connections including tensile leads from the voice coils to the binding posts. If all the wiring is ok then replace subs.

Now your bass issue should be solved lets move onto the highs:

1.) Press on the speakers to see if they are blown, if they are blown then find a refrence speaker that you know is not blown and hook it up to the head units internal amp one channel at a time and see if you get full non distorted sound. If so simply replace all of your internal speakers and call it a day. If they are not blown replace head unit as the internal amp is screwed up.

tehmenace 
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Posted: March 26, 2008 at 11:35 PM / IP Logged  
Before I go out and check this, Does it make sense that all 4 speakers would get blown at the same time? They are 2 different sets of speakers, 1 pair of 6.5s and 1 pair of 6x9s. The are both different brands also.
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