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nickdahl 
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My car's previous owner had a nice stereo installed, but when he removed it, he left the speaker wires.  Attached to the speaker wires for the rear speakers are a crossover network.  So, I'm wondering if I might recycle it, and use it with the Silver Flute 5.5" 4-ohm speakers I'm installing there.

Here are the values for the inductor, resistor, and capacitor:

Inductor = 0.3 inH

Resistor = 5SG 15ohm J MD IWAKI

Capacitor = nichicon 6.8uF 50V BP-S (k)

I believe this is a bandpass network, but I'm unsure what the cutoff frequencies would be.  Thanks for any help you might give!

Nick

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Here are some pictures, if they help:

deciphering a passive crossover -- posted image.

deciphering a passive crossover -- posted image.

deciphering a passive crossover -- posted image.

Thanks,

Nick

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Your attempts to hot link the images was unsuccessful.  Try uploading to this site.  In order to help you with your crossover network I need to know how the three components you mention are wired together.
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nickdahl 
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Let's try this again...

deciphering a passive crossover -- posted image.

deciphering a passive crossover -- posted image.

deciphering a passive crossover -- posted image.

The network is wired like this: the + speaker wire running between the amp and the speaker is separated by the network.  The network is built by taking a capacitor leg,a resistor leg, and one side of the inductor coil, and tying them together.  The same thing is done with the other legs.  The + speaker wire connects to the network by entering on one side, and exiting on the other.

Thanks again,

Nick

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Posted: June 05, 2008 at 6:31 PM / IP Logged  
I'd almost bet that is a Zobel. I don't think it's a crossover. What driver SPECIFICALLY was it connected to, meaning a woofer, a mid, or a tweeter? I think you'll have to know that...
It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."
nickdahl 
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haemphyst wrote:
I'd almost bet that is a Zobel. I don't think it's a crossover. What driver SPECIFICALLY was it connected to, meaning a woofer, a mid, or a tweeter? I think you'll have to know that...

Nakamichi SP-55C.  4 ohms.  Two-way speaker.

These speakers were left behind...they're fairly well rusted out and look absolutely shot.  They were mounted in the rear seat speaker position of a 1983 Porsche 944.

Thanks,

Nick

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That's a 6db bandpass with attenuation, sorta.
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Posted: June 05, 2008 at 9:28 PM / IP Logged  

Wired as you described, it looks like a parallel notch filter that was used to suppress unwanted exaggeration in the 10 kHz region.  See this calculator.  I wouldn't use it for any other speaker, and I wouldn't even reuse it for the same speaker it was made for.  The cap looks to be the electrolytic type and should be considered no longer useable.  And not to be left out, the coil is tiny gauge and thus has a high DCR, and the resistor is low quality and inductive (I'm willing to bet).

(...assuming your post above detailing the values meant to read " .3 mH " for the coil...)

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Thanks for the advice, and for the link to the calculator.  Just wanted to be sure it wasn't going to be useful before it hit the bottom of the trash can!

Thanks again,

Nick

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Posted: June 05, 2008 at 10:16 PM / IP Logged  
Stash the coil in your parts bin.  It's copper.  Maybe you could use it someday, like in a tweeter crossover network (where DCR is not typically an issue).
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