desolator144 wrote:
Having your alternator constantly re-adjust as it plays bass notes at 1000W then 0W, it will wear our your alternator. It's about as good for your alternator as turning your rear defrosters on and off once per second. |
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That's wrong. Your alternator is DESIGNED to do just that... AC, turn signals, headlights, windshield wipers... ALL very transient and high inrush current components. The alternator doesn't care WHAT kind of transient current it has to make, as long as the current doesn't stress it's internals, especially the diodes. An alternator is a current transformer, (NOT a voltage rtansformer) in it's simplest terms, it just needs a prime mover (the engine) to do it's job. It transforms/converts rotational energy to electrical energy - a transformer.
desolator144 wrote:
I assume a 200A alternator's lowest mode has a pretty high drain on the engine compared to the lowest mode on a normal output one so even if nothing really power sucking is running, it's still destroying gas mileage. |
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Another wrong assumption. No load on the output side, no load on the mechanical input side. IF the rotor on the HO alternator happens to be heavier than an OEM alternator's rotor (and the rotor rarely changes - it's the stator that gets heavier for HO units) then there may be an infinitessimally larger mechanical load on the engine, but it's vanishingly small. Until the current demands go up, there is no additional energy demand on the input side. As I said before, it's a transformer.
desolator144 wrote:
Hey guess what, when my couple hundred watt refrigerator turns on, the lights dimm and that's on a 3600+ watt house circuit. Having tons and tons of power available doesn't stop a large, sudden draw from dropping the voltage. Guess what would happen if I had a capacitor attached to the fridge? Yeah, it wouldn't do that. |
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Well, yeah, it probably still would, because you have not addressed the SERVICE DROP. The service drop to the house would be the equvalent to your alternator. If it's too small (as in wire gauge) whatever you have for load will eventually overload that service drop. I installed solar (and when I say "I installed", I mean *I INSTALLED*, I didn't hire somebody to come do it...) at my house two years ago, and for the same project, I re-wired my garage for my workshop. The #4 service drop I had exhibited the VERY SAME symptom you describe there - the one with the dimming lights - (even before the additional demands of a workshop - think "new ADDITIONAL car amplifier") but I had PG&E provide me with a new service drop of 1/0 for my new 200A main panel, and guess what? No caps attached to my components, and my light dimming stopped. It has NOTHING to do with the load, if the source is adequate.
desolator144 wrote:
Hey, there's one of those mini power station thingies down the street from me that conditions the power for the surrounding area. Why does it have a bunch of capacitors in it? Maybe to even out sudden draws from a single source even though there's thousands of amps available? Yup, think so. |
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Again, you'd be wrong. All those caps you see are NOT for "surges". They are to keep the power phases correct, and I don't mean between phase A, B, and C. I mean the power phases, as in current or voltage lag or lead. In reactive circuits (read AC circuits) impedance based on reactive components (inductance and capacitance) cause current leads or lags, (I remember "ELI the ICE man" from my electrical classes - in an inductive circuit - "ELI" - voltage leads current, and in a capacitive circuit - "ICE" - current leads voltage) reducing DRAMATICALLY the efficiency of the transmissions. Those power stations are power factor correcting stations, adding finite, carefully selected values of capacitance and inductance to the power grid to "repair" the power curves.
desolator144 wrote:
So then in between bass notes, the capacitor recharges at, I assume, the same rate at which it drained it which draws a bunch of power from the entire circuit and drops the voltage. In fact wouldn't it draw the same amount of power as the original bass note would have, it just delayed it half a second so now the voltage drops over and over in between bass notes instead of during them? |
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Your assumption is wrong. When a cap becomes discharged, the charging current can be THOUSANDS of times what the discharge rate was. It is determined by the charging potential and the ESR of the cap. Then apply Ohm's law, then apply DeltaT.
If you have a cap with an ESR of .002 Ohms (typical for a "better" cap), and your car's voltage is 14.4V, then your charge current CAN be as high as 28000A.
(Why do you think they give you a resistor to charge them?) How fast can 28000A dump one coulomb of energy into a cap? I don't know either (that's DeltaT) but it's pretty DAMN fast, and a hell of a lot shorter than your original discharge took, if connected to the power leads of a car power amplifier.
Now, by the time we reach current levels like this, there is no single group 45 SLA in the world that can provide that, let alone the resistance of the power cables and connections between said SLA and the cap. Your recharge current now becomes dependent upon the charging source. The battery in the car. Once this battery provides the return charge to the cap and do you think this return charge (remember, this is all still in watt-seconds) is free? It isn't - there is a electrochemical reaction within the battery to provide it, and this electrochemical reaction WILL discharge the battery a given amount, EXACTLY the same as loading the battery with a load demanding 1/1000 the current for 1000 times as long.
Now the battery is discharged a given amount. Where does it get IT'S recharge energy? That's right - the alternator. Multiply this current demand by all of the accessories in the car, and you'll see that soon the alternator will now have to power more load than it can do effectively.
Forget the cap. They are bandaids on bullet wounds.It all reminds me of something that Molière once said to Guy de Maupassant at a café in Vienna: "That's nice. You should write it down."