what gauge wire?

Also, the systems I heard at the SPL were exact systems! They rewired the subs and other speakers with standard and then kimber cable as a demonstration. They were using JL amps and subs which put out a quality signal that you guys using your Jensen (crap) and other junk amps wouldn't understand.95 Cavalier 2.2L

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MTX 4244 4 channel for Polk & Pioneer door and rear deck speakers

I think there are alot of fishy things about your statements... first of all, in the first post you made about Kimber vs "regular" cable, you insinuate two separate systems being compared...not the same system as you say in your "correction" post... and as far as just wiring the subs and speakers, that doesnt make sense becuase the power wire is still "low quality" (in your terms)...and that screws your theory totally, because an amplifier amplifies a signal...period...and an amp will amplify a clean or a dirty signal...if you put dirty in, you get dirty out...so unless they changed every power supply wire starting at the alternator and going back, then the test which you claim showed a difference, is total garbage...just like most of what I have seen you post... you can have the best amps in the world with the lowest signal to noise ratio, and it wont mean a thing if you send a signal from a Rampage deck... as far as not needing an oscilloscope to measure everything, you wont know if everything is equal and the same to start your comparison, so there is no way to gauge differences...you cant compare apples to oranges, and if you move the subs 2 inches ahead or back in an otherwise identical install, there will be a difference...it might not be a huge difference, but it will be different...and then you are comparing 2 things that arent similar to begin with, so of course they will be different even before you start changing your variable... and the last point of contention, it almost looks like you "assume" I run Jensen or other poor quality crap like you have listed in your signature... I run a Clarion 9575z head unit, straight pre-amp, no internal amp to dirty a signal, to a Clarion 7500z digital signal processor, with a 655tz 6 pack changer...I have an MTX 2300 amp to run my front stage, which is a set of Focal PolyKevlar 5-1/4"s...and then I run an AudioControl Epicenter which provides signal to alternately A) a MMATS d200hc driving a Cerwin Vega Stroker 18 for SPL competition, or B) a Crossfire bmf1000D which drives a pair of Xtant Hex 12s for SQ and daily listening... you wont find any low budget "sound like ass" Polk or Pioneer speakers, no useless and redundant caps, and no pansy ass little 4 channel amps in my car...my front stage amp puts out more power than all of your system combined... I dont run crap equipment...and I know my audio...you need to learn yours... did you go and take a peek at carsound.com? have you ever heard of richard clark or david navone? richard clark was the man who built an 84" sub out of plywood and inner tube when he was demonstrating the ridiculous direction that SPL competitions were headed in...go take a look at carsound and maybe spend enough time there to learn a few things before you come back here and misguide and misinform any more people...

Well said Tim Nice But Di!!!95 Cavalier 2.2L

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JL 500/1 for RF Punch HX2 500 watt RMS subs

MTX 4244 4 channel for Polk & Pioneer door and rear deck speakers

do you know what a Cerwin Vega Stroker is? you probably had the Cerwin heads or another line...the Strokers have taken the SPL title several times...go to termpro.com and ask around... where in your system is 1500W? I have 3 MTX 2300s...they have all been benched, the lowest wattage being 997 or something and the highest being 1012...it is a 2x300W amp, but highly underrated... if I wanted to find the best system out there, it would consist of alot better gear than what I am running...if I was really rich I would have it, but unfortunately I dont have tens of thousands of dollars to burn on my stereo...take a look around these forums, I have posted my system more than once...this is not what I "claim to have," this is what I roll around listening to... your claim on Clarion decks is also unfounded...sure, if you are not willing to buy good gear, almost everyones low line sucks...the 9575 was one of the top decks Clarion ever made, especially for SQ...the only one better that Clarion made was the 9255, which was the same deck inside as the McIntosh MX406 (I think, forget the exact model number) lol, Dart...thats sweet...naw, I drive Datsuns...240Z and 280ZX... there is nothing really to complain about in the JL amps...they are a solid amp... you make no mention of a head unit however...are you running this all off of the stock head unit? and why the cheap speakers? I bet they are all still in factory locations, arent they? the only good sounding Pioneer speaker I have ever heard or seen was the ODR line...and I bet you arent running those...and as far as Polk is concerned, any true audiophile would rather gag than listen to Polk speakers... the last thing I have to say is why have you not gone to carsound.com? why havent you asked richard clark about it? richard clark has a test in which he offers $10,000 to people like yourself who are so convinced can tell the difference a wire makes...you should go look into it, maybe you can win yourself $10,000...he plays the exact same track on the exact same system and all he does is change the wiring around... many people have challenged and all have gone home losers...but hey, since your hearing is so much better, maybe you can go take his $10K...

I'm through talking, just keep lying and making stuff up as long as it keeps your ego stoked. That's obvisoulsy why you come to this forum.95 Cavalier 2.2L

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JL 500/1 for RF Punch HX2 500 watt RMS subs

MTX 4244 4 channel for Polk & Pioneer door and rear deck speakers

Wellv If I xcould put in my 2 cents. I belive your power cable doesnt make a big deal as long as it gets a good sigal to the amp. And as for the speaker wireing If you are running high wattage speaker wiring that will make a difference b/c your stock wiring isnt very insalated.

I agree with you 100% on what you just said. Power wire only matters with AWG size but speaker wiring quality makes a big difference.95 Cavalier 2.2L

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Rockford 1 Farad Punch Capacitor

JL 500/1 for RF Punch HX2 500 watt RMS subs

MTX 4244 4 channel for Polk & Pioneer door and rear deck speakers

Wire is wire copper is copper, no matter how you spell it. Only in AWG size is where you find a difference.