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hotdog53 
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Posted: July 08, 2009 at 8:59 PM / IP Logged  

Just installed a Clifford 50.7x in 2002 Jeep Wrangler manual transmission. Very basic install, no door locks, no factory alarm.

Because of the manual trans, a procedure has to be followed before exiting the vehicle to initiate the remote start. The procedure ends with the occupants exiting the vehicle with the keys removed, engine running, doors closed, and when the alarm is armed it kills the ignition. The problem is when the ignition is killed by arming the alarm it sets off the dome light in which the alarm sees as an intrusion and disables the remote start.

Is it possible to program the alarm to ignore the dome when the ignition is shutoff?

Is there a way to wire arround the dome, but still keep the doors active?

Thanks in advance

mikvot 
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Don't think you can use the domelight, You will need to use independent door triggers.

Drivers door is tan - left of steering column. Passenger Tan / YELLOW @ same. I don't have any wire listed for the rear, hopefully someone else will chime in.

hotdog53 
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Thanks for the input.

If any body can tell me if I wired everything right would be a great help. This is the way I wired it, and if I need to change something please let me know.

This is a 2002 Jeep Wrangler with Manual Trans, no door locks, defrost, or factory alarm, so many of the wires from the alarm are not used.

Primary harness (H1), 12-pin connector2002 Jeep Wrangler X Manual Trans
H1/1RED / WHITE(-) 200mA TRUNK RELEASE OUTPUT   
H1/2RED(+)12v CONSTANT INPUTConstant 12 voltsPINK/BLACK & REDIGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
H1/3BROWN(+) SIREN OUTPUTTo Siren  
H1/4WHITE/ BROWNLIGHT FLASH ISOLATION WIRE - PIN 87a of onboard relay   
H1/5BLACK(-) CHASSIS GROUNDTo Chassis (-)  
H1/6VIOLET(+) DOOR TRIGGER INPUT   
H1/7BLUE(-) TRUNK PIN/ INSTANT TRIGGER INPUT   
H1/8GREEN(-) DOOR TRIGGER INPUTDome LightYELLOW (-)14 PIN GRAY CONN DRIVER'S KICK PANEL
H1/9BLACK/ WHITE(-) 200mA DOME LIGHT OUTPUT   
H1/10WHITE/ BLUE(-) REMOTE START/ TURBO TIMER ACTIVATION INPUT   
H1/11WHITEPARKING LIGHT OUTPUTParking LampBLACK / YELLOW (+)AT HEADLIGHT SWITCH
H1/12ORANGE(-) 500mA GROUND WHEN ARMED OUTPUT   
Auxiliary harness (H2), 8-pin connector
H2/1 LIGHT GREEN/ BLACK(-) 200mA FACTORY ALARM DISARM OUTPUT   
H2/2 LIGHT GREEN / WHITE(-) 200mA FACTORY ALARM ARM OUTPUT   
H2/3WHITE/ VIOLET(-) 200mA AUX 1 OUTPUT   
H2/4  VIOLET/BLACK(-) 200mA AUX 2 OUTPUT   
H2/5  WHITE/ BLACK(-) 200mA AUX 3 OUTPUT   
H2/6  LIGHT BLUE(-) 200mA 2ND UNLOCK OUTPUT   
H2/7  GRAY/BLACK(-) DIESEL WAIT TO START INPUT   
H2/8  BROWN / BLACK(-) 200Ma HORN HONK OUTPUT   
Heavy gauge remote start, (H3) 10-pin connector
H3/1  PINK(+) IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUTIgnition 12 voltsBLUEIGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
H3/2  RED / WHITE(+) FUSED (30A) IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY INPUT 87   
H3/3  ORANGE(+) ACCESSORY OUTPUTAccessoryBLACK/ D GREENIGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
H3/4  VIOLET(+) STARTER OUTPUT (CAR SIDE OF THE STARTER KILL)StarterYELLOW - Starter SideIGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
H3/5  GREEN(+) STARTER INPUT (KEY SIDE OF THE STARTER KILL WIRE)StarterYELLOW - Key SideIGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
H3/6  RED(+) FUSED (30A) IGNITION 1 INPUT   
H3/7  PINK/WHITE(+) IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY OUTPUT   
H3/8  PINK/BLACK(+) FLEX RELAY INPUT 87A key side (if required) of FLEX RELAY   
H3/9  RED / BLACK(+) FUSED (30A) ACCESSORY/STARTER INPUTConstant 12 voltsPINK/BLACK & REDIGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
H3/10  NC(no connection) NC   
Remote start input, 5-pin connector
1BLACK/ WHITE(-) NEUTRAL SAFETY SWITCH INPUTE-BrakeGRAY/BLACKDRIVER'S KICK PANEL
2VIOLET/WHITETACHOMETER INPUT WIRETach SignalTAN/WHITECAM POSSITION SENSOR (FIREWALL)
3BROWN(+) BRAKE SHUTDOWN INPUT WIREBrake LightWHITE/ TAN (+)AT SWITCH ABOVE BRAKE PEDEL
4GRAYN/O or N/C (-) HOOD PIN SWITCH INPUTTo Hood Switch  
5BLUE/WHITE(-) 200 mA 2ND STATUS/REAR DEFOGGER OUTPUT   
Remote start auxiliary output, 5-pin
1PINK/WHITE(-) 200mA FLEX RELAY CONTROL OUTPUT   
2ORANGE(-) 200mA ACCESSORY OUTPUT   
3VIOLET(-) 200mA STARTER OUTPUT   
4PINK(-) 200mA IGNITION 1 OUTPUT   
5BLUE(-) 200mA STATUS OUTPUT   
Door lock harness, 3-pin connector
1BLUE(+) LOCK (-) UNLOCK OUTPUT   
2EMPTY NOT USED   
3GREEN(-) LOCK (+) UNLOCK OUTPUT   

profuse007 
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use the door trigger instead.
TAN (-) and TAN/RED (-) use both, See
diagram
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hotdog53 
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Posted: July 09, 2009 at 1:01 PM / IP Logged  

Could not get the link to work.

I did find the TAN & TAN / YELLOW wires to the doors, there are no wires to the rear gate.

To hook up these two wires doI need to put diodes on each one? If they are tied together the dome just stays on.

hotdog53 
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Hooked up the Tan & Tan / YELLOW with diodes to the H1/8 (Green) wire, and it works the way it should.

Still one problem, It will only remote start if you push the clutch in.

The install instructions say to attach the Neutral Safety Input (BLACK/ White) to the E-Brake, there is nothing about the clutch.

Any ideas how to wire this in? Keep in mind the E-Brake still has to operate off this Blk/W wire because of the initiation sequence.

hotdog53 
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Can the clutch be bypassed by connecting the H1/12 (Orange (-) 500mA GROUND WHEN ARMED OUTPUT) directly to the clutch switch?
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Just connect the remote starter wire directly on the yellow/red for the (clutch bypass) instead of at the ignition switch. If you want to keep the starter kill then cut the yellow/red in two. starter in to the clutch side and starter out to the car side of the yellow/red wires

hotdog53 
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G-D Gump, you're a G-D genius. That's the most outstanding answer I've ever heard. You must have a G-D IQ of 160.

Everything works great now. Thanks for all the help.

I'm unable to edit my wiring guide, so I will put an updated one on here.

hotdog53 
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Primary harness (H1), 12-pin connector2002 Jeep Wrangler X Manual Trans
H1/1RED / WHITE(-) 200mA TRUNK RELEASE OUTPUT   
H1/2RED(+)12v CONSTANT INPUTConstant 12 voltsPINK/BLACK & REDIGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
H1/3BROWN(+) SIREN OUTPUTTo Siren  
H1/4WHITE/ BROWNLIGHT FLASH ISOLATION WIRE - PIN 87a of onboard relay   
H1/5BLACK(-) CHASSIS GROUNDTo Chassis (-)  
H1/6VIOLET(+) DOOR TRIGGER INPUT   
H1/7BLUE(-) TRUNK PIN/ INSTANT TRIGGER INPUT   
H1/8GREEN(-) DOOR TRIGGER INPUTDoor TriggersTAN & TAN / YELLOW (-)CONN DRIVER'S KICK PANEL (diodes used)
H1/9BLACK/ WHITE(-) 200mA DOME LIGHT OUTPUT   
H1/10WHITE/ BLUE(-) REMOTE START/ TURBO TIMER ACTIVATION INPUT   
H1/11WHITEPARKING LIGHT OUTPUTParking LampBLACK / YELLOW (+)AT HEADLIGHT SWITCH
H1/12ORANGE(-) 500mA GROUND WHEN ARMED OUTPUT   
Auxiliary harness (H2), 8-pin connector
H2/1 LIGHT GREEN/ BLACK(-) 200mA FACTORY ALARM DISARM OUTPUT   
H2/2 LIGHT GREEN / WHITE(-) 200mA FACTORY ALARM ARM OUTPUT   
H2/3WHITE/ VIOLET(-) 200mA AUX 1 OUTPUT   
H2/4  VIOLET/BLACK(-) 200mA AUX 2 OUTPUT   
H2/5  WHITE/ BLACK(-) 200mA AUX 3 OUTPUT   
H2/6  LIGHT BLUE(-) 200mA 2ND UNLOCK OUTPUT   
H2/7  GRAY/BLACK(-) DIESEL WAIT TO START INPUT   
H2/8  BROWN / BLACK(-) 200Ma HORN HONK OUTPUT   
Heavy gauge remote start, (H3) 10-pin connector
H3/1  PINK(+) IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUTIgnition 12 voltsBLUEIGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
H3/2  RED / WHITE(+) FUSED (30A) IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY INPUT 87   
H3/3  ORANGE(+) ACCESSORY OUTPUTAccessoryBLACK/ D GREENIGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
H3/4  VIOLET(+) STARTER OUTPUT (CAR SIDE OF THE STARTER KILL)StarterYELLOW/RED - (Clutch)BLK CONN @ DRIVER'S KICK PANEL
H3/5  GREEN(+) STARTER INPUT (KEY SIDE OF THE STARTER KILL WIRE)StarterYELLOW/RED - (Conn.)BLK CONN @ DRIVER'S KICK PANEL
H3/6  RED(+) FUSED (30A) IGNITION 1 INPUT   
H3/7  PINK/WHITE(+) IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY OUTPUTAccessory (A/C)BLACK/ ORANGEIGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
H3/8  PINK/BLACK(+) FLEX RELAY INPUT 87A key side (if required) of FLEX RELAY   
H3/9  RED / BLACK(+) FUSED (30A) ACCESSORY/STARTER INPUTConstant 12 voltsPINK/BLACK & REDIGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
H3/10  NC(no connection) NC   
Remote start input, 5-pin connector
1BLACK/ WHITE(-) NEUTRAL SAFETY SWITCH INPUTE-BrakeGRAY/BLACK (-)DRIVER'S KICK PANEL
2VIOLET/WHITETACHOMETER INPUT WIRETach SignalTAN/WHITECAM POSSITION SENSOR (FIREWALL)
3BROWN(+) BRAKE SHUTDOWN INPUT WIREBrake LightWHITE/ TAN (+)AT SWITCH ABOVE BRAKE PEDEL
4GRAYN/O or N/C (-) HOOD PIN SWITCH INPUTTo Hood Switch  
5BLUE/WHITE(-) 200 mA 2ND STATUS/REAR DEFOGGER OUTPUT   
Remote start auxiliary output, 5-pin
1PINK/WHITE(-) 200mA FLEX RELAY CONTROL OUTPUT   
2ORANGE(-) 200mA ACCESSORY OUTPUT   
3VIOLET(-) 200mA STARTER OUTPUT   
4PINK(-) 200mA IGNITION 1 OUTPUT   
5BLUE(-) 200mA STATUS OUTPUT   
Door lock harness, 3-pin connector
1BLUE(+) LOCK (-) UNLOCK OUTPUT   
2EMPTY NOT USED   
3GREEN(-) LOCK (+) UNLOCK OUTPUT   

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