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Posted: January 07, 2010 at 5:52 PM / IP Logged  

A graphic demonstration just for Mr. Howie.

Solder a red wire to terminal 86 of a relay. Solder a black wire to terminal 85 of the relay. Now hold your index finger on one terminal and your thumb on the other. Have a friend touch the other end of those wires to the respective terminals of your battery. Now have him remove and replace one of those wires. He may have to do it several times in a quick manner for you to get the full effect. The pain that you feel is the voltage spike that occurs anytime an electromagnet is turned off. As you could imagine that voltage spike is not liked by a lot of the electrical equipment in your vehicle. The diode eliminates this spike. It doesn't hurt real bad. Go ahead try it. No really it doesn't. It's only 12 volts how could it shock you?

oldspark 
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Posted: January 07, 2010 at 6:21 PM / IP Logged  
One forgets the simple demonstrations!
It reminds me of manually opening ignition points etc to clean them (with IGN on).
But that is why any automotive accessory should have its own protection against such spikes - at least on its Power Supply (not it's inputs or outputs unless relays are intended).
A good related test is to feel that spike at any distance from the coil/solenoid - I have felt relay spikes across the battery terminals (yeah - a battery is a BIG cap isn't it; does it seem stupid adding a tiny ceramic cap across it?).   
But the simplest test tools are often the best.
I thought Howie was referring to some nice CRO pic or something. But this demo method is so simple could have been easily published with an Audio dB meter reading.
Reminds me of using the hand as a test for cable sizing. Or aging switches. (IE - heat.)
howie ll 
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Posted: January 07, 2010 at 6:37 PM / IP Logged  
Yeah, my thumb is 0 gauge, and as for, let's not go there. Any one have a conversion table for US to Metric on wire gauges?
I started out on the old Lucas/Ripaults stuff 14/28 where it meant current capacity/wire strands, now it's Metric everywhere bar the US and while I have no problems with spanner sizes, this stuff gives me problems.
Mr. I how about wetting your fingers first? I got caught that way about 35 years ago, you don't forget it easily.
Or stick a new PP3 battery to your tongue, I have a pal who tests the that way, what a masochist!
What's a reactive load (simply please)? I thought that was a speaker or relay coil yes I know they are the same.
i am an idiot 
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oldspark 
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Posted: January 08, 2010 at 7:08 PM / IP Logged  
Those 9V batteries should be banned!
A few years ago, they killed 3 people here in Aus. (That's how the stats reported it.)
Maybe we need to lower the HV-DC definition? Think of the income for HVDC licence holders - car fuses, car audio, and fact any non-6V vehicle electrics!
Geez - I'm so good for the recovering economy!   
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