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sumwood 
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Joined: January 15, 2010
Location: Georgia, United States
Posted: January 24, 2010 at 6:45 PM / IP Logged  
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Hey Guys, I just upgraded to a 2009 F150 XLT Crew Cab from a 2004 F150 XLT Supercab. I am installing a Clifford 3.3x Responder LE 2-way Security and Remote Start System. I have been able to get the alarm to function as I want it to, but I am having trouble with the remote start. I am pretty sure the problem lies with the bypass and the OEM immobilizer. I have hooked the bypass up several ways and still can not get it to disable the immobilizer. When I try to remote start, the system beeps a few times, the lights come on, gauges light up, and I hear some clicks at the ignition switch. The security dummy light on the instrument panel flashes rapidly.
The Keysense (Blue/White @ Ignition Switch) wire is currently cut and the violet wire from the bypass is connected to it. I have nothing currently connected to the Ignition Switch side of the Keysense wire. I also do not have anything hooked up for the Lock Motor because I did not find anything in the Clifford installation manual for this.
If anyone could review the connections below and offer any advice, I would greatly appreciate it.
Clifford 3.3x               Truck Connection is Bold
---------HARNESS 1-----------
RED / White AUX Trunk Release, (-) 200mA          Not Used
Red 12v (+) Constant, Input                    12v (+) @ SJB
Brown Siren (+), Output                    Red from Siren
WHITE/ Brown, Flex Parking Light Relay 87a          Not Used
Black Chasis Ground                         Ground(-) @ Drivers Kick
Violet Door, (+) Input                         Grey/Purple @ Dome Light
Blue Trunk, (-) Instant Trigger Input          Not Used
Green Door, (-) Input                         Not Used
BLACK/ White Domelight, 200ma (-) Output          Grey/Purple W/Relay @ SJB
WHITE/ Blue Remote Start Activation, (-) Input     Not Used
White Parking Light, Output 30               PURPLE / White @ SJB
Orange Ground-when-armed,(-) 500mA Output     Not Used
Domelight Supervision Relay
85     BLACK/ White Domelight, 200ma (-) Output     
86     Red 12v (+) Constant
87     To Grey/Purple @ SJB
30     Ground (-) @ Support Under Radio
---------HARNESS 2-----------
Light GREEN/ Black OEM Disarm, (-) 200mA Output     Not Used
Light GREEN / WHITE OEM Arm, (-) 200mA Output          Not Used
WHITE/ Violet AUX 1, (-) 200mA Output               Not Used
Violet/Black AUX, (-) 200mA Output                       Not Used
WHITE/ Black AUX, (-) 200mA Output                       Not Used
Light Blue2nd Unlock, (-) 200mA Output               Not Used
Grey/Black Wait-to-Start, (-) Input                    Not Used
BROWN / Black, (-) 200mA Horn Honk Output          Not Used
---------HARNESS 3-----------
Pink Ignition 1, (+) Output (Also Ignition Sense Input)     WHITE/ Orange @ Ignition Switch
RED / White, Fused 30a (contact 87 of RS Flex Relay)     Not Used
Orange Accessory, Output                         PURPLE / Green @ Ignition Switch
Violet Starter, Output (Car Side of Starter Wire)     Blue/White @ Ignition Switch (Car Side)
Green Starter, Input (Key Side of Starter Wire)          Blue/White @ Ignition Switch (Switch Side)
Red 12v (+) Constant, Fused 30a Input (Ignition 1 Relay)      12v (+) @ SJB
Pink/White Flex Relay, Output (Default is Ignition 2)     Not Used
Pink/Black Flex Relay Contact 87a, (Default is Ignition 2)     Not Used
RED / Black, Fused 30a (For Accessory and Starter Relays)     12v (+) @ SJB
---------Remote Start In-----------
BLACK/ White Neutral Safety, (-) Input               Ground (-) @ Support Under Radio
Violet/White Tach, Input                         Connected to Fuel Injector
Brown Brake, Shutdown (+) Input                    PURPLE / White @ Brake Switch
Gray Hood Pin Switch NO/NC (-) Input               Connected to Hood Pin
Blue/White 2nd Remote Start Status, (-) 200mA Output     Not Used
---------Remote Start Out--------
Blue Remote Start Status, (-) 200mA Output          Connected to Blue on Bypass
Pink Remote Start Ignition 1, (-) 200mA Output          Not Used
Violet Remote Start Starter, (-) 200mA Output          Not Used
Orange Remote Start Accessory, (-) 200mA Output     Not Used
Pink/White Flex, (-) 200mA Output                    Not Used
--------Door Lock/Unlock-----------
Blue, (-Unlock)                                      PURPLE / Gray @ SJB
Green, (-Lock)                                   Gray / YELLOW @ SJB
--------Other Connections-----------
Tach Threshold Jumper, Set to Low
Neutral Safety Switch, Set to On
Antenna Four-pin Connector, Connected
Status LED, Connected
Valet Program Switch, Connected
DEI Express Kit (Bypass), TBXKEY               Truck/Other Connection in Bold
Antenna Loop                                   Wrapped Around Ignition Switch
Black                                        Ground (-) @ Support Under Radio
Red                                        12v (+) @ SJB
Violet                                        Blue/Gray (Cut) @ Ignition Switch (Car Side) Blue/Gray (Cut) @ Ignition Switch, Blue/Gray (Cut) @ Ignition Switch (Switch side Not Used)
Blue                                   Connected to Blue Remote Start Status on Remote Start Out Harness
Green                                        Not Used
Brown                                        Not Used
Spare Key is Inserted into bypass.
JWorm 
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Joined: December 11, 2002
Location: New Hampshire, United States
Posted: January 24, 2010 at 7:20 PM / IP Logged  
3 potential problems I see.
One problem is your door trigger. You have it connected to the (+) door trigger input of the alarm, but then you have the dome supervision relay sending a ground output to the dome light wire. One of those is wrong.   I don't have a tech sheet for your truck, so I'm not sure which one.
Try connecting the RED / white in harness 3 to constant 12v at the SJB.
You shouldn't be cutting the keysense wire in the truck. I assume the violet wire on the TBXKEY is a (-) keysense input. Just connect it to the keysense wire in the truck. The way you have it now, you "key in ignition" warning chime will not work. The purpose of the violet wire is so the bypass doesn't activate if there is already a key in the ignition.
sumwood 
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Member spacespace
Joined: January 15, 2010
Location: Georgia, United States
Posted: January 24, 2010 at 10:18 PM / IP Logged  
I tried to connect the Door trigger to the GREEN/ PURPLE (-) wire under the drivers kick panel per the wiring diagram on the Bulldog Security Website. The only problem is there are two of them at that location.
I have also reconnected the Keysense wire. I tried many combination's to get this to work and the cut version was my last try. I just left it until I could find a solution.
I have another problem now. The Airbag light in the instrument panel is staying on now. It will come on at start-up for about 5 seconds, then it will go off and come back on again and stay solid after another 5 seconds. If I cannot resolve this, I am just going to bite the bullet and take it into a shop and have them finish the install to get it working. I do not want to have any issues with the airbags.
KPierson 
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Posted: January 25, 2010 at 1:05 AM / IP Logged  

sumwood wrote:
I tried to connect the Door trigger to the GREEN/ PURPLE (-) wire under the drivers kick panel per the wiring diagram on the Bulldog Security Website. The only problem is there are two of them at that location.

How is this a problem?  Use your meter to verify which is the correct wire and hook it up.  You did verify all wires before making any connections right?  If not, maybe a wrong connection is causing the airbag light to come on! 

Kevin Pierson
tedmond 
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Posted: January 25, 2010 at 1:44 PM / IP Logged  
i got a feeling this was a blind connection where no wires were verified.
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sumwood 
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Joined: January 15, 2010
Location: Georgia, United States
Posted: January 25, 2010 at 6:51 PM / IP Logged  

Yes I was using a Meter and did test the wires. Today i tracked all of those GREEN/ purple wires and they all lead to one of the connections at the streering column. I am thinking the wire I needed to be looking for was not GREEN/ purple. Anyhow, I got fead up with it and pulled the entire thing out and taped up all of the locations I tapped into. The airbag lite is off now, hoever I also noticed earlier the right blinker is now not functioning. I need to check the bulbs and flasher relay.

I talked to a local shop and they want $400.00 to do the install. Does this sound reasonable?


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