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oldspark 
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x2!
Looks good. A nice solution.
And now even using conventional 85 & 86 polarity (relay coil).
Definitely worth the transient suppression diode across fan relay 86-85 unless the ECU output is a relay (but it's probably an Open-Collector transistor/FET output).
And #85 to ECU diode as suggested - just in case!
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What kind of diodes would I need and can I get them at Radio shack?
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1N4004, yes to Radio Shack, the band sides of the diodes go to 86 (pos. coil) and the other sides to 85 (neg. coil).
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Thanks.

How would I add a diode to the engine computer trigger line to keep ground from being applied to it when it isn't activated but the A/C trigger line is?

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I see that those diodes are rated at 1 amp...that doesn't seem like very much ?
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If I used SPST relays would I still need diodes across 86 and 85 ?

I'm thinking about using a large 100A industrial relay like this one from Mouser:

http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Stancor/120-902/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMtSzCF3XBhmW1unbvAnCJgIftLBrfiEQi8%3d

I realize that is more relay than i will need but better to over build it than under build it...

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kaztheminotaur wrote:
I realize that is more relay than i will need but better to over build it than under build it...
Not when its 2/3A solenoid blows the ECU.
And not when it's big, clunky, overpriced, a fitting issue (ie hazard), etc.
Normal 30A or 15A relays will do fine, with nice spade connectors for easy replacement.
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Well answered Pete. 1 amp diodes are more than adequate for the coil draw on NORMAL relays, also use 4 pin where you can, the current ratings are higher.
Your other question, the answer is in line on the ground switch to terminal 85, band away from the relay.
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oldspark wrote:
kaztheminotaur wrote:
I realize that is more relay than i will need but better to over build it than under build it...
Not when its 2/3A solenoid blows the ECU.
And not when it's big, clunky, overpriced, a fitting issue (ie hazard), etc.
Normal 30A or 15A relays will do fine, with nice spade connectors for easy replacement.

I don't follow you on the 2/3 A solenoid blows the ECU ?

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Thanks you Howie.
Unfortunately however, I regret to inform you that YOU are WRONG!
(Bear with me readers, this is for fun - Howie is right, but shhh!)
As per some other "expert advice" forum (alas I do not know which), I hereby present the following:
(Howie - skip this line. Others - DO NOT follow the next advice - instead follow Howie's above!!
relays for electric fan in truck - Page 2 -- posted image.
DO NOT FOLLOW THE ADVICE IN THE ABOVE IMAGE
I originally included something like the above in my last reply, but later deleted it after I thought I got it wrong!
But I am right... amn't I...   [For quenching - Kathode/line towards +ve (#86); anode to gnd/negative (#85)]
relays for electric fan in truck - Page 2 -- posted image.? ....or relays for electric fan in truck - Page 2 -- posted image.&relays for electric fan in truck - Page 2 -- posted image.?
I think I'm right - never trust expert forums.
Except this one.
And Howie.
BTW - I was thinking the 1A diode was enough for the quenching.
[And yes, it should be 400V; 200V can be a bit low. Besides, the IN4004 400V/1A is now generally "the common" lowest rated diode - ie, lesser rated power diodes cost more!]
But it is also fine in series with any "normal" relay - even the oversized 100A relay with its 8W = ~0.7A solenoid/coil.
I'm even thinking of buying a bulk pack of 1N4004 (a few dollar$ for 100) and throwing out those unlabelled 50V 1A I got years ago for 2c each - 50V "unpolarised" cleanskins just ain't worth it!)
Rem: Hail Howie!!
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