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FLcruising

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Posted: May 06, 2010 at 8:35 AM / IP Logged

I tested this last night using the capacitor/resistor values as the diagram. When I power it, there's a noticeable sound that starts then fades away, but the relay doesn't engage? I held power to it for about 10 seconds to see if it would engage the relay, but nothing. Where did I mess up this simple circuit at? Testing the relay afterwards by itself it engages just fine.

Aaron

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Posted: May 06, 2010 at 9:05 AM / IP Logged

Please show exactly the diagram or schematic you followed to ensure we're all on the same page here.

List the exact part #'s you are using, not generic descriptions.

"I held power to it for about 10 seconds" = What pwr are you referring to? 9v battery or 12v car battery? Adapter?

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FLcruising

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Posted: May 06, 2010 at 9:49 AM / IP Logged

12v car battery.

This diagram - constant to momentary with a microrelay -- posted image.

This relay - http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productid=2062481&filterName=Type&filterValue=SPDT

This capacitor - http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productid=2102507&filterName=Type&filterValue=Electrolytic+capacitors

This resistor - http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productid=2062347&filterName=Type&filterValue=1%26amp%3B%23047%3B4-watt+resistors

The lead on the capacitor that has the arrow (-) pointing at it is connected to ground.

Aaron

FLcruising

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Posted: May 06, 2010 at 10:28 AM / IP Logged

I have been looking at this diagram for 2 weeks now with the wrong idea in mind. I thought it energized the relay coil AFTER the capacitor charges, where actually it does BEFORE. I thought of it as a delay ON circuit, not an instant ON - delay OFF. Me = Idiot!

Now that tha's cleared up, is there a relay/capacitor/resistor configuration that would (allowing me to use the parts I've already purchased) delay a relay turn ON by about 1/2 a second?

Aaron

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Posted: May 06, 2010 at 4:46 PM / IP Logged

I threw the following together quickly (much appreciated if someone would be so kind as to check to make sure I got it correct) but it should be what you want.

constant to momentary with a microrelay -- posted image.

91stt

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Posted: May 06, 2010 at 4:51 PM / IP Logged

You may not be able to find a 50μF capacitor, so you may need to substitute a 47μF instead. It will still give you about a 500 ms delay.

FLcruising

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Posted: May 06, 2010 at 9:17 PM / IP Logged

Thank you 91stt,

I actually have a 50µF capacitor, but it is bipolar. Could I just add a diode between it and ground with the stripe towards the cap to make it work?

May I ask why the zener is not pointing towards the relay?

Aaron

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Posted: May 08, 2010 at 10:05 AM / IP Logged

91stt wrote:

Unfortunately that won't work because the amount of current through the inline resistor won't be enough to drive the relay directly.

To do this you'd need a transistor driver.

This is a thread for momentary to timed pulse output stretching, but it's a simple matter to rearrange things for delayed on purposes.

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Most people are highly resistant to using solid state devices, but they're really the way to go because it makes things smaller and cheaper; no huge capacitors are needed for long delays.

FLcruising

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Posted: May 08, 2010 at 12:46 PM / IP Logged

How would I rearrange things to get the delay ON? I'm not scared of solid state devices, I would just rather use parts from Radio Shack since it's close and I don't have to pay for shipping.

Aaron

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Posted: May 08, 2010 at 3:32 PM / IP Logged

If you basically use the configuration above, but move the diode (a standard 1N4001 will do) and place it in parallel with the resistor (pointing to the left), you'll have a timed output you can feed to the transistor relay driver (refer to the drawing on the other post)

When your input goes high, it'll start charging up the capacitor through the resistor. Once the voltage reaches the turn on point of the transistor, about 3 or 4 volts, it'll turn on and switch the relay on.

when you turn off the signal, the diode will discharge the cap immediately and it should turn off right away.

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