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mad-dax 
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Man that picture explained it to me in like 5 seconds....why does my brain work like that vs. a word problem.
oldspark 
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3 main methods of perception: written/reading, graphical/pictorial, and aural/spoken.
Most favour one over the others.
Some are hopeless at one.
Or two.
And I know many that are hopeless with all 3! (I think they use touch. They are like keyboards - you have to punch the information in. Several times. And I recommend with great force!)    
Speaking of the latter, a former boss reckoned I was strong at aural whereas she "suffered" because she was pictorial.
I explained to the fool that I too was visual/pictorial, but as I listened to or read explanations, I'd picture them in my mind.
Alas I think the only sense she had working was her smell.
(Maybe it was her mouse. ....That's a Scandinavian keyboard joke.)
If pictures & diagrams were not so good, there would be a saying "a few words are worth 1,0000 pictures".
Don't worry - your senses are in good company.
mad-dax 
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Ok I finally got around to making this on a bench....it doesn't work....What happens is if the relay is plugged into the loop it drains the 12v and clicks "off" and then the volts remain at ~1v.  If I unplug the relay the cap charges to 12v in about 4 seconds. using 1 470 ohm resistor.  I guess the relay drains the cap and then the volts is limited to what the resistor allows across it like 1v?  the cap never can charge up again if the realy is plugged in. 

I need to know how to get the slow ramp up to 12v then stay steady even with the relay plugged in.  Maybe the relay coil resistance has something to do with? the coil seems to be 101.7 ohms.  I am lost.

i am an idiot 
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Try to parallel another or 2 more 470 ohm resistors. 

I will look at it tonight to see what I can figure out. 

oldspark 
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The resistor drops the voltage to the coil - on 12V it will get ~2V (if in series with 470R) if it's connected as per that diagram.
The resistor should be feeding the capacitor - not in the coil circuit....
PS (2 hours later) - that resistor still forms a voltage divider with the relay coil.
The resistor must be reasonably smaller than the coil resistance. (For a high current fan, I wouldn't go above 20% of the coil resistance - ie, ~22R.) But that's why I prefer an RC feeding a transistor of FET etc.
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