bulldog doesn't believe in relays

howie ll wrote: Since when do Audis (or any VAG) car including Euro Skodas, Seats and Porsches) have 2 starter wires? Come to think of it I've got about 12 T shirts from DEI for modifying Directwire info on European cars! Rule of thumb on a new (to me) vehicle: find EVERY guide you can, use them as a crib sheet and THEN test. The Bulldog info for instance is completely wrong with ref to Euro BMWs. They list 12volts at the brake switch for all E46 on, not true it's a variable load switch, you have a BLACK/ blue, BLACK/ green and I believe BLACK / YELLOW for left, centre and right bulbs in both the floor looms, also Directwire ALWAYS got the E46,M3 and X4 lock and unlocks the wrong way round.

Hey wait I just thought about that. Silly Bulldog. The only cars that have two starter wires that I know of (might be more) are Nissans and the newer Toyotas.

Isuzus too - they used it as an electric fuel pump prime. (Instead of diode from alternator and starter feeding an SPST relay, they used an SPDT relay - #30 to the pump; #87 to +12V & #87a to the 2nd starter. #85 was GND with #86 to the alternator's charge lamp circuit (D+, L etc).) Another case where added mechanical complexity was preferred over diodes. (Hmmm - that sounds familiar even today...)