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Viper 5901 in a 2011 Ford F-150


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2006ramcrazy 
Copper - Posts: 92
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Location: Florida, United States
Posted: December 10, 2011 at 2:05 PM / IP Logged  
Ok here's an update:
After posting my wire connections I had to leave so I unplugged the bypass because it was hanging in my way to drive it. I put the bypass in my center console and left for about 2 hours.
I got your post RacerJames, on my phone, while I was gone so when I got home about 15 minutes ago I had planned on doing your suggestion.
I get home and reprogram the bypass (because it was unplugged for the last 2 hours) to do racerjames idea and low and behold it remote starts!!!!!
I've remote started it about 10 times now with no problems so it seems like it is now working...
I have no idea why it wasn't working before as I did nothing different this time as I did on the previous 20 program attempts lol.
YEA!!!!!! I was really beginning to believe this just wasn't meant to be!
So now that the R/S is working (I can't say YEA enough) I can move on to all the other stuff. I've got to figure out how to get the Viper to disarm the oem content alarm when I disarm the viper. Last time I had it in there it kept setting off the oem alarm when I disarmed the viper.
Thanks Racerjames for the suggestion... I appreciate all the input from you guys... It keeps me from giving up.
Jess
2011 F-250 Super Duty
2006ramcrazy 
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Posted: December 10, 2011 at 6:03 PM / IP Logged  
I've finished for the night... Too difficult to see with a drop light.
I have most everything hooked up including the parking lights which is a different color wire then the DirectWire shows for the 2011. I need to go back and look at it again and post the correct color for others who may need it.
It appears now that the bypass is working right, the OEM alarm is getting whatever it needs to disarm as I am no longer getting the Alarm Alert on my LCD screen when I disarm the Viper. So that seems to have remedied itself. (Thank god)
I still have dome light supervision to hook up and I've got to figure out why the Voice module is not working...Other then that, It seems to be pretty much completed.
I am trilled that I've finally gotten near the end of this project, and I couldn't have done it without you guys so I thank each one of you.
This project has reaffirmed my belief that I need to keep my day job and not jump into stuff like this head on without doing the proper research first. Trying to "figure it out" as you go is quite difficult.
Jess
2011 F-250 Super Duty
2006ramcrazy 
Copper - Posts: 92
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Joined: March 10, 2010
Location: Florida, United States
Posted: December 11, 2011 at 10:56 AM / IP Logged  
I am a bit confused on this dome supervision....
On the Violet H1 wire the Viper wants to see 12v when a door is open and rest at ground when it's closed. So I hooked the Violet (+ door trigger input from H1) to the gray/purple at the BCM which is + Dome supervision according to the DirectWire.
The gray/purple at the BCM provides 12v when doors are open but it's open when the doors are closed. So it's not triggering the rearm process when the last door is closed. So obviously I have this wrong.
Please correct me if I'm wrong but If I can find the right dome connection then I think I can avoid all the diode and resistor connections needed for all 4 door triggers as the Viper can use the dome light to determine when a door is open right?
as a note, the Ram I took this out of had 12v when the doors were open and rested at ground when they were closed so it saved me from having to hook to each door and worked fine.... This truck is obviously different.
2011 F-250 Super Duty
2006ramcrazy 
Copper - Posts: 92
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Posted: December 11, 2011 at 3:10 PM / IP Logged  
I've built the Door trigger thing the DirectWire shows is needed...It's not pretty but I'm hoping it does the trick.
Viper 5901 in a 2011 Ford F-150 - Page 9 -- posted image.
Viper 5901 in a 2011 Ford F-150 - Page 9 -- posted image.
Can somebody please explain to me what this thing does so I can better understand it's function?
After I got it done I applied 12v to the power wire to it...This gives me 12v at all the door outputs and 12v at the door trigger wire coming out of it.
All the inputs have nothing on them.
I'd just like to better understand what I've made here.
Thanks
2011 F-250 Super Duty
2006ramcrazy 
Copper - Posts: 92
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Location: Florida, United States
Posted: December 12, 2011 at 9:53 AM / IP Logged  
I've looked through all the relay diagrams on here and can't seem to find one that will do what I need, if it's even possible. I'm wondering if I can even do this.
on the + Dome light wire (Purple) from my Viper, it's looking for 12v when the dome is on and ground when the dome is off.
The dome light wire in my truck is +12v when the dome is on and open when the dome is off so how can I put together a relay to allow the alarm to see 12v when the Dome is on and switch to negative output when the Dome light turns off without feeding that -neg into the trucks wiring?
The purpose of this is so the Viper will see the neg and know that the Dome has turned off (Doors have closed) and will begin the rearm process. Right now it won't begin the rearm process and when I manually arm the Viper it keeps telling me a door is open.
Thanks
2011 F-250 Super Duty
kreg357 
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Posted: December 12, 2011 at 12:22 PM / IP Logged  

Did you try these?   Info from DEI.

Door Trigger                BLACK/ white(-)           security module, pin B12 

Dome Supervision        lt. blue(-)                  security module, pin A2

The security module is located under the passenger seat.

Soldering is fun!
2006ramcrazy 
Copper - Posts: 92
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Posted: December 12, 2011 at 12:31 PM / IP Logged  
thanks Kreg, I didn't have that info.
I'm hooking up that door trigger box I built per the DirectWire now. if that doesn't solve this ill look into your idea.
thank you
2011 F-250 Super Duty
2006ramcrazy 
Copper - Posts: 92
Copper spacespace
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Posted: December 12, 2011 at 3:26 PM / IP Logged  
Well low and behold I think I can f-i-n-a-l-l-y say I am done.
I built and installed that Door Trigger thing the DirectWire said it needed (pictures posted above) and to be totally honest I was not very confident installing that thing in my truck after my Parking light issue. Mostly because I wasn't entirely sure of what it was I was building and putting in my truck. But, I followed the diagram to the "T" and built it inside a Radio Shack project box so it looked somewhat decent and the door trigger thing worked...
I'm still unsure how or what in the heck it does but regardless it's providing what the Viper wants to see on the Violet +door trigger to make it work properly and it isn't causing any problems with my LCD display showing me which door is open...
The only issue still outstanding is my 516U voice module apparently has failed...It wont talk. I've verified the connections and all are ok so I guess it just decided to die on me so I'm gonna have to buy another one but that's no big deal. Other then that everything is working as it should.
So in light of my lack of understanding on a few things and the fact it has taken me three weekends working on it here and there, I have managed to successfully get this Viper installed in my F-150.
I realize that I have been a pain in the ass throughout this process with all my questions, some probably pretty stupid...I can't thank all of you enough for helping me get this in there. I couldn't have done it Without you guys.
When it comes time to trade trucks again I will not be taking this Viper out...It has found a new permanent home as long as I own this F-150 lol.
Thanks to all of you!
Jesse
2011 F-250 Super Duty
fordgru 
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Joined: January 04, 2012
Location: Ontario, Canada
Posted: January 04, 2012 at 6:24 PM / IP Logged  
can you indicate what colour the park lights you used
also how did you do this?
It appears now that the bypass is working right, the OEM alarm is getting whatever it needs to disarm as I am no longer getting the Alarm Alert on my LCD screen when I disarm the Viper. So that seems to have remedied itself. (Thank god)
??
please help!!!!! lol
2006ramcrazy 
Copper - Posts: 92
Copper spacespace
Joined: March 10, 2010
Location: Florida, United States
Posted: January 04, 2012 at 6:33 PM / IP Logged  
I'll have to pull the SJB cover off to see exactly which wire I tied into for the parking lights...I've forgotten.
As for the rest of your question...I don't quite understand what you want to know..... Be specific in your questions and I'll answer the best I can.
J
2011 F-250 Super Duty
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