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c_hawks 
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On the Aux/shutdown harness H/16 is (+) Brake Shutdown input. Is that the wire that needs to be hooked to the parking brake to let teh system know the parking brake is engaged before it will allow a manual transmission vehicle start? If not which wire do  I connect to?
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Nope that's the wire from the switched (light bulb side) of the foot brake.
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Parking brake wire is ALWAYS negative in polarity. I would assume that it being positive in nature would indicate that it is looking for the positive output of the foot brake.
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Then would I be correct in saying that the Barke Shutdaown input wire needs to be connected to the parking brake wire?

Thanks for the info

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NO!!!!
The explanation would take too long but it goes along the lines of take this to a pro and pay to have them install this it will cost you less in the long term.
Foot brake (+) is a "positive shut down input".
Parking (hand) brake is a (-) input that the R/S has to see to start. Often used on manuals as a safety except I've never seen a parking brake stopping a car that started in gear. It's a poor-man's substitute for an NSS signal from a manual gearbox.
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Posted: October 21, 2012 at 4:35 PM / IP Logged  

Let's be specific.  Viper 4704V & 2009 Tacoma

H/16 BROWN (+) BRAKE SHUTDOWN INPUT  on 24 Pin harness     This wire goes to the Tacoma's Brake Pedal signal, not the Parking Brake.

Brake Wire    Blue (+)     @ dash fuse box, White 13 pin Plug (1D), Pin 13

This wire is shown quite clearly in the 2010 Tacoma Pictorial ( seventh picture from the top )  :

https://www.the12volt.com/installbay/forum_posts.asp~TID~130004~PN~1

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Posted: October 21, 2012 at 4:42 PM / IP Logged  

THanks I have that pictorial printed out and following it with what I can. My question then is what wire hooks to what for the parking brake? I have read thru the manual and the installation instructions and the only thing for manuals it talks about is how you must leave it in nuetral and saafety and such. The only thing being a manual transmission I know is that I need to hook up the tach wire and not use the virtal tach.

Other then that I am clueless with this and really don't have the time or funds to take to pro for install.

Probably should of just taken it to pro from the start but I am determined to figure it out with whatever help I can get. Thanks to all who have helped to this point

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Posted: October 21, 2012 at 4:48 PM / IP Logged  

On manual transmission vehicles, the Neutral Safety wire should go to the Parking Brake wire ( if an actual neutral safety signal is not available ).

What are your plans on the clutch bypass?

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H2/2 BLACK/ white goes to the wire at the switch at the base of the handbrake.
Once the handbrake is pulled up, that wire goes to ground and "enables" the remote start.
BTW. Always connect "real" not virtual tach.
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Thanks.... I was planning on connecting real tach.

Sorry if being bothersome....Just want to get it right.... Again thanks

C_Hawks
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