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freqsounds 
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Posted: February 25, 2014 at 8:56 AM / IP Logged  
I have been working with DEI's DBALL series for a while now, and know they can be temperamental. I wanted to share my experience with these units, and how I make them work every time.
1. Unselect any features the vehicle doesn't have (i.e. windows, door locks, etc.). Some installation guides are for different makes and models as well. Here's the thing. If the DBALL can't control it or see it on the CAN, (i.e. a handbrake, hoodpin, etc) unselect the feature! This will help prevent false factory alarms and make the DBALL more reliable. Just remember, any feature unselected will have to be manually hooked up to the alarm/remote start.
2. ALWAYS flash the unit TWICE!
3. Hook up the DBALL first with only power to the alarm/remote start. Program the DBALL and see what features it detects first (i.e. handbrake, brake pedal, hood pin, door triggers, etc.). This will prevent a lot of rework. The feature guide from DEI isn't always correct.
4. If something isn't working right, try an older or beta firmware.
5. Troubleshooting is always a pain. I have sometimes had to flash up to 10 times before the module began working. Other times, a CAN wire was not as connected as I thought it was. Always check continuity between the DBALL wire and the vehicle's wire (both sides of the splice) to make sure it's a solid connection.
*A note when soldering: Newer vehicles use wires that are much softer than older vehicles. I can't count the times I have overheated a wire and it snaps inside the sheath and makes for an interesting 6 hours of troubleshooting. Always be careful with your heat, especially when using a torch! :)
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howie (aka: harryharris)
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Posted: February 25, 2014 at 12:26 PM / IP Logged  
X2 with all of the above.
Especially the part about soldering, tiny CAN wires with the plug almost inaccessible behind the fuse box, lots of fault codes when I fired the car up, 3 hours wasted finding it, one of the CAN wires had broken at the joint.
P.S. You've wired it D2D, things don't work say tach. Don't worry hardwire it won't affect anything.
Test before boxing up.
sam369 
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Posted: June 29, 2016 at 9:27 PM / IP Logged  
@freqsounds
Can you clarify point 3 a little more? Do you mean connecting the wires for DBALL2 as specified in the instructions but only connect 12V and ground to the RS/alarm, and then connect the D2D cable to program? How can you tell which features are detected?
brownsfan1 
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Posted: June 30, 2016 at 9:13 AM / IP Logged  
I use the dball as a last resort. You shouldn't have to do any of that. I'm an expeditor. I don't really have time for that. The Idatalink/Flashlogic mobile app works much better and faster so I use it more than anything. There is a reason it has earned the name DB-some or DB-fail. I'm not a directed hater I use a lot of their stuff just not the DB -all.
freqsounds 
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Posted: June 30, 2016 at 9:34 AM / IP Logged  
sam369 wrote:
@freqsounds
Can you clarify point 3 a little more? Do you mean connecting the wires for DBALL2 as specified in the instructions but only connect 12V and ground to the RS/alarm, and then connect the D2D cable to program? How can you tell which features are detected?
Yes, connect all the necessary wires per the diagram for the car. Only connect the power and ground to the RS. Connect D2D last. Then test all supported functions. The supported functions are listed in a chart in the installation guide.
It's equally important to disable the features that your car doesn't have because the DBALL is easily confused.
The DBALL doesn't detect any features. It will monitor sensors, but it has no way of knowing whether the car has power door locks etc. If these features are left enabled when the car isn't equipped, it can send an 'unlock' or 'lock' command (for example) and confuse the car, possibly setting the alarm off OR the car will send a response to DBALL that it's not expecting, and the DBALL will freak out. This is typically where all DBALL issues occur. Bad programming by DEI that has an undocumented workaround.
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freqsounds 
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Posted: June 30, 2016 at 9:39 AM / IP Logged  
brownsfan1 wrote:
I use the dball as a last resort. You shouldn't have to do any of that. I'm an expeditor. I don't really have time for that. The Idatalink/Flashlogic mobile app works much better and faster so I use it more than anything. There is a reason it has earned the name DB-some or DB-fail. I'm not a directed hater I use a lot of their stuff just not the DB -all.
iDataLink has its quirks too, just not as bad as the DBALL. But this info will make a DBALL work every time, which is the point of this thread. From a technical standpoint, features that the car doesn't have should be disabled on any module that connects to the bus.
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brownsfan1 
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Posted: June 30, 2016 at 11:06 AM / IP Logged  
They all have quirks. But the DBALL is the absolute worse. I won't use them on Toyota anymore. The only Directed modules I use now are the tried and true XK01 GMDLBP for older GM cars and trucks. Because those work awesome. Like I said I use a ton of Directed products. I have been using more and more remote start units from them lately. I like them. I have directed 2way led alarm/starts in all my cars. Including my service van. But they all have idatalink modules in them.
sam369 
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Posted: June 30, 2016 at 2:34 PM / IP Logged  
Thanks for the answers and suggestions.
I contacted two sellers when buying the RS/alarm. Both of them recommended DBALL2. I am not sure if it's because idatalink doesn't have good support for my car, which is a 2016 Altima.
I'll follow the suggestions by @freqsounds, and test everything out before finalize the installation.
mraballard 
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Posted: August 08, 2016 at 10:51 AM / IP Logged  
Hi guys, I am planning to install the dball2 along with the CHTHD2 harness into my 2013 Jeep Wrangler. From all the install guides, videos, and forums, it sounds pretty straight forward.
I will also install a Viper 5706v alarm. Should I install the dball2 first, or the alarm first? My jeep is "remote start ready", so I imagine I should flash the dball2 with the RSR feature...? Also, what is D2D?? I have seen that a lot and don't know what it stands for.
Thanks a lot!
ajb
freqsounds 
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Posted: August 08, 2016 at 11:00 AM / IP Logged  
D2D is Data to Data. It means the DBALL can communicate with your Jeep (i.e. Send an unlock command, send a start command, etc.) so you don't have to hook up the 812658468 wires from the alarm system. D2D replaces those wires by sending commands to your car. That said, the chart in the DBALL manual will tell you what commands the DBALL can send to the Jeep. Anything without a check mark should be hooked up with the corresponding wire on the alarm system.
As long as you install the firmware to the DBALL for the correct vehicle, you should be good to go. If there's more than one, you can flash one, and if it doesn't work or is not working properly, you can flash the other. You can flash the DBALL as many times as you need to.
No question is stupid or not worth asking. You were once a noob, right? :)
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