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sparkie

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Posted: February 05, 2016 at 10:14 AM / IP Logged

Instead of using the negative starter output wire to interface the orange clutch wire, use the negative ignition output from the remote starter instead. I had a similar issue on a newer Honda. It the timing of the output that caused the issue.

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loknar28

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Posted: February 05, 2016 at 11:21 AM / IP Logged

mscguy wrote:

loknar28 wrote:

I ran the starter (-) status output diode isolated with the cathode side(+) in the direction of the orange wire.

Cathode is the (-) with the stripe/band. The band has to face your viper in this case.

I'm sorry I really could have written that better. I meant Anode (+), its been awhile since electronics school, lol. The (-) striped side of the diode was installed facing the (-) status output.

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2007 Honda Civic Si

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loknar28

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Posted: February 05, 2016 at 5:22 PM / IP Logged

sparkie wrote:

Instead of using the negative starter output wire to interface the orange clutch wire, use the negative ignition output from the remote starter instead. I had a similar issue on a newer Honda. It the timing of the output that caused the issue.

Currently, after a successful MTS sequence the R/S will not crank the engine even with the clutch engaged. I was able to test the clutch by staying in the car after pulling the key, opening and shutting the door and then using the remote to stop the engine. I will try using the ignition status if I am still unable to get the engine to turn over after a successful test with the clutch pressed.

I am curious about something though. When I first began wiring the vehicle it was for an Avital 4113 since I had recently installed a 4103 in my wife's pilot. Then I realized it did not have MTS mode as an option and I started looking for a viper.

Prior to installation of the viper I verified that the colors of the pigtails I left were still accurate. The only difference to the (H3) harness that were obvious was that it had 8 connections as opposed to the 6(really 5 because 2 constant 12V) from the Avital. So, that meant I now have 3 additional which I needed to decide what to do with. They appeared to irrelevant to my install so I taped them up.

My (H3) connections are as follows:

(H3/1) PINK | IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT

Connected to BLUE (Ignition 1)

(H3/2) RED / WHT | (+) FUSED (30A) IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY INPUT 87

N/C

(H3/3) ORANGE | ACCESSORY OUTPUT

Connected to Orange (ACC1)

(H3/4) VIOLET | STARTER OUTPUT

Connected to Yellow (Starter)
(H3/5) RED | (+) FUSED (30A) IGNITION 1 INPUT
Connected to WHT (Constant 12V)
(H3/6) PINK/WHT | (+) IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY OUTPUT 30
Connected to RED (ACC2)
(H3/7) PINK/BLK | FLEX RELAY INPUT 87A key side of FLEX RELAY
N/C
(H3/8) RED / BLK | (+) FUSED (30A) ACCESSORY/STARTER INPUT
N/C

geepherder wrote:

You might try hardwiring the tach if you haven't done so yet. Then relearn and try again.

I ran the tach wire directly to the brown injector wire on the far right. other color was yellow/black (wiring chart here says not to use that color)so figured brown was the correct one to use. Unfortunately, I am still getting the same issue. Tach signal is reported to be learned, as I get a solid blue after holding button during first 5 seconds after start. However after a failed start I still get the #3 error.

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2007 Honda Civic Si
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mscguy
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Posted: February 05, 2016 at 6:23 PM / IP Logged
If your h3/2 flex relay fused isn't connected, your h3/6 flex relay output won't do anything.

Edit: just noticed your starter fused input isn't connected either. You have 3 fused RED / x wires in that harness. Connect all of them. It won't crank because your starter wire isn't getting power.

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loknar28
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Posted: February 05, 2016 at 7:26 PM / IP Logged

mscguy wrote:

If your h3/2 flex relay fused isn't connected, your h3/6 flex relay output won't do anything.

Edit: just noticed your starter fused input isn't connected either. You have 3 fused RED / x wires in that harness. Connect all of them. It won't crank because your starter wire isn't getting power.

Thank you for clearing that up. I wondered if they might be required. The description in the guide led me to believe the were optional outputs if you were using a starter kill relay. I really wasn't thinking about the input/output relationship, since I had not planned to use a relay. I wish they would simply refer to it as a 40A starter kill relay, lol. Branding the relay makes it seem like they are trying to convince you to buy one. Hmmm, does Directed sell flex diodes?
2016 Toyota Highlander
2007 Honda Civic Si
2004 Honda Pilot EX

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loknar28
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Posted: February 06, 2016 at 9:18 PM / IP Logged

mscguy wrote:

If your h3/2 flex relay fused isn't connected, your h3/6 flex relay output won't do anything.

Edit: just noticed your starter fused input isn't connected either. You have 3 fused RED / x wires in that harness. Connect all of them. It won't crank because your starter wire isn't getting power.

That got her going. Thanks for your help.
2016 Toyota Highlander
2007 Honda Civic Si
2004 Honda Pilot EX

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mscguy
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Posted: February 06, 2016 at 9:26 PM / IP Logged

loknar28 wrote:

mscguy wrote:

If your h3/2 flex relay fused isn't connected, your h3/6 flex relay output won't do anything.

Edit: just noticed your starter fused input isn't connected either. You have 3 fused RED / x wires in that harness. Connect all of them. It won't crank because your starter wire isn't getting power.

That got her going. Thanks for your help.

No problem. Thank you for supplying detailed information as to your problem, steps you took to reproduce it, and your wiring. :D. It makes things a lot easier to figure out.

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loknar28
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Posted: February 07, 2016 at 7:06 PM / IP Logged
OK, I have good news and bad news.
The goodnews.......
Everything is working great!!

The bad news........
It only is working in Automatic Trans mode.

According to the installation guide...

Manual Transmission Start diagnostics
When enabling MTS, if you get a failure notification from the remote or the vehicle fails to remain started when you shut off the key, check for following:All tested working in A/T mode.

•    Hood Open (gray wire)
Verified that N/O contacts are set in programming and working while in A/T mode.
•    Foot Brake active (brown wire)
Directly connected to switch and shutdown function tested in A/T mode.
•    No Parking Brake input-BLACK/ white neutral safety wire not       showing ground with parking brake set.
Grounded directly to handbrake switch. Only allows vehicle to start if e-brake is on.
•    Tach not hooked up or programmed.
Just to be sure, I ran this directly to the signal wire(brown, not yel/blk) on the far right fuel injector.
•    Toggle switch not installed or not in the ON position.
Verified that this switch is on.

In case anything else could be interfering with MTS initializing I have added all of my current (W2W) connections, as well as (D2D) options checked.

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Primary harness (H1), 12-pin connector

(H1/1)   RED / WHITE   | (-) 200mA TRUNK RELEASE OUTPUT
Checked in D2D options ..See below..
(H1/2)   RED        | (+)12v CONSTANT INPUT
Spliced with H3 (+)12v constant, also feeding RED(+) of DEI 8617 Relay
(H1/3)   BROWN       | (-) HORN OUTPUT
Directly connected to vehicle harness above column.
(H1/4)   WHITE/ BROWN | LIGHT FLASH ISOLATION WIRE - PIN 87a of onboard relay
N/C
(H1/5)   BLACK       | (-) CHASSIS GROUND
Connected to under-dash frame bolt
(H1/6)   VIOLET      | (+) DOOR TRIGGER INPUT*
N/C
(H1/7)   BLUE        | (-) FACTORY HORN INPUT
Checked in D2D options ..See below..
(H1/8)   GREEN       | (-) DOOR TRIGGER INPUT*
Checked in D2D options ..See below..
(H1/9)   BLACK/ WHITE | (-) 200mA DOME LIGHT OUTPUT
N/C
(H1/10) WHITE/ BLUE | (-) REMOTE START/ TURBO TIMER ACTIVATION INPUT
N/C
(H1/11) WHITE       | PARKING LIGHT OUTPUT
Wired to Vehicle (+) parking light wire - Viper Jumper set to (+)
(H1/12) ORANGE      | (-) 500mA GROUND WHEN ARMED OUTPUT
Connected to (-) BLK wire of DEI 8617 Relay

------------------------------------------------------------------
Auxiliary harness (H2), 7-pin connector

H2/1 LIGHT GREEN/ BLACK | (-) 200mA FACTORY ALARM DISARM OUTPUT
Checked in D2D options ..See below..and Directly Connected to Vehicle from DBALL2
H2/2 LIGHT GREEN/ WHITE | (-) 200mA FACTORY ALARM ARM OUTPUT
Checked in D2D options ..See below..and Directly Connected to Vehicle from DBALL2
H2/3 WHITE/ VIOLET       | (-) 200mA AUX 1 OUTPUT
Random Climate Control button when I read up on it more
H2/4 VIOLET/BLACK       | (-) 200mA AUX 2 OUTPUT
Random Climate Control button when I read up on it more
H2/5 WHITE/ BLACK        | (-) 200mA AUX 3 OUTPUT
N/C
H2/6 LIGHT BLUE        | (-) 200mA 2ND UNLOCK OUTPUT
Who knows, maybe...details...details
H2/7 GRAY/BLACK        | (-) DIESEL WAIT TO START INPUT
N/C

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Heavy gauge remote start, (H3) 8-pin connector

(H3/1) PINK | IGNITION 1 INPUT/OUTPUT
(Ignition 1)Connected to BLUE and spliced to Pink DBALL2 ignition input
(H3/2) RED / WHT | (+) FUSED (30A) IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY INPUT 87
Connected to WHT (Constant 12V)
(H3/3) ORANGE | ACCESSORY OUTPUT
Connected to Orange (ACC1)
(H3/4) VIOLET | STARTER OUTPUT
Connected to Yellow - (Starter Wire Cut and Connected through Anti-Grind Relay) Tested working as expected
(H3/5) RED | (+) FUSED (30A) IGNITION 1 INPUT
Connected to WHT (Constant 12V)
(H3/6) PINK/WHT | (+) IGNITION 2 / FLEX RELAY OUTPUT 30
Connected to RED (ACC2)
(H3/7) PINK/BLK | FLEX RELAY INPUT 87A key side of FLEX RELAY
N/C - only needed for some vehicles
(H3/8) RED / BLK | (+) FUSED (30A) ACCESSORY/STARTER INPUT
Connected to WHT (Constant 12V)

---------------------------------------------------------------
Remote start input, 5-pin connector

(1)    BLACK/ WHITE | (-) NEUTRAL SAFETY SWITCH INPUT
Connected directly to vehicle handbrake switch.
(2)    VIOLET/WHITE | TACHOMETER INPUT
Connected directly to the signal wire(brown, not yel/blk) on the far right fuel injector.
(3)    BROWN        | (+) BRAKE SHUTDOWN INPUT
Connected directly connected to brake peddle switch.
(4)    GRAY        | N/O or N/C (-) HOOD PIN SWITCH INPUT
N/C yet while testing, since Viper is configured N/O
(5)    BLUE/WHITE   | (-) 200 mA 2ND STATUS/REAR   DEFOGGER OUTPUT
Planning to connect to Climate Control Rear defogger button.

-------------------------------------------------------------------
Remote start auxiliary output, 5-pin

(1)    PINK/WHITE   | (-) 200mA FLEX RELAY CONTROL OUTPUT
N/C
(2)    ORANGE       | (-) 200mA ACCESSORY OUTPUT
N/C
(3)    VIOLET       | (-) 200mA STARTER OUTPUT
Diode Isolated and Connected to Orange Wire of Vehicle Clutch Interlock
(4)    PINK        | (-) 200mA IGNITION 1 OUTPUT
N/C
(5)    BLUE        | (-) 200mA STATUS OUTPUT
Checked in D2D options ..See below..
----------------------------------------------------------------

Door lock harness, 3-pin connector

(1)    BLUE        |   (+) LOCK (-) UNLOCK OUTPUT
Checked in D2D options ..See below..
(2)    EMPTY        |    NOT USED
Nothing is N/C
(3)    GREEN        |   (-) LOCK (+) UNLOCK OUTPUT
Checked in D2D options ..See below..
----------------------------------------------------------------

D2D options

DL-Lock
- Checked
DL-Unlock
- Checked
DL-Trunk
- Checked
RS-Request engine coolant temp.
- Checked
RS-Request vehicule speed
- Checked
RS-Request intake air temperature (outside temp)
- Checked
RS-Request RPM
- Unchecked
RS-Ground when running
- Checked
RS-Start command
- Checked
RS-Stop from remote
- Checked
RS-Starter
- Checked
RS-Ignition command
- Checked
RS-Ignition from RS
- Checked
RS-Aux1
- Unchecked
RS-Aux2
- Unchecked
ST-Hand brake
- Unchecked
ST-Hood
- Checked
ST-Trunk
- Checked
ST-Driver door
- Checked
ST-Other doors
- Checked
ST-Brake
- Checked
ST-Key sense
- Checked
ST-Ignition
- Checked
ST-Park Neutral
- Unchecked
OEM Keyless-disarm
- Checked
OEM Keyless-arm
- Checked
SS-Alert Status
- Checked
SS-OEM Alarm
- Checked
RS-Request Runtime
- Checked
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mscguy
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Posted: February 07, 2016 at 8:05 PM / IP Logged
Just for fun, try checking the ebake status in d2d.

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loknar28
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Posted: February 07, 2016 at 10:12 PM / IP Logged

mscguy wrote:

Just for fun, try checking the ebake status in d2d.

I just set
ST-Hand brake to
- Checked

Unfortunately, just the same disapproving buzz from the remote and a red LED next to the F-key

I had unchecked it since I was using the E-Brake to supply the ground for the BLK/WHT Neutral Safety input.

I have been trying to be methodical about not have multiple sources for the same inputs, but that was a good thought.
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