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wmellon 
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Posted: May 29, 2003 at 7:55 PM / IP Logged  

  Let's see if any mad scientist out there can help.  Car info: '02 Mercury Cougar, MTX.  I am putting in a hidden push button start and doing away with the key.  I have 95% of it figured, but I'm not great with electronics.

  I am using a push on/ push off switch.  When it is pushed on, it will bridge the 12v+, accesories, ignition and starter.  What I need is an IC to kill the starter when it sees a tach or coil signal.  I figure one relay to engage when power is intitially applied and a second one with a comparitor that will trip when a tach(or coil) signal of about 8v+ is detected in order to shut off the starter.  Remote starts use the tach signal to stop the starter.  They usually shut off around 600 rpm and I figure that is about 8v+ of the normal 12v+ to 14v+ the coil runs at. 

  Does any one have some made IC design skills?  I probably could figure it out with the IC Op-Amp Cookbook, but alas, I am really damn lazy!  Thanks in advance.

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Only problem with the tach signal to disengage the starter is that the tach signal is (-) AC.
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wmellon 
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Posted: May 29, 2003 at 8:23 PM / IP Logged  
  Yah, I know.  You could use a Schmitt switch that can be set with a high low or just use the signal of the coil.  That can be gotten around.  I just need a IC that can be shut off with an external intput.  Any ideas?
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Posted: May 29, 2003 at 8:38 PM / IP Logged  

   Why not just use a simple timer to crank the engine. You can adjusted and it will work just like a remote starter without the tach.

wmellon 
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Posted: May 29, 2003 at 8:44 PM / IP Logged  

  Thought of that one too.  I have been bugging the crap out of a few buddies at the local Ford dealership.  Fixed output times won't account for cold weather and what not.

   Does any know what kind of curcuit or set up a keyless start uses?  I don't know the layout of the gem they use, but that is basically what I am after.

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      Then why don't you just install a remote starter . Then when you press your switch it will take over for the remote starter .That way you will get the features of the remote starter like the keyless entry. And still have a car without an ignition switch. Also even if you get the circuit that you want you will need a way to manually crank the engine for emergencies and in those cases when the remote starter won't turn on the vehicle.
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Posted: May 29, 2003 at 9:30 PM / IP Logged  

  Thanks for the thought.  There are a BUCH of ways to pull this off with two switches, or just hard wire a keyless start.  I am actually going to us a transponder that will unlock the doors and disarm the starter kill when you are within 10 feet or so.  I am aiming for the system used in the new cady and benz.  I just cann't afford a custom $5000 to $10000 Seimens computer controlled system.

  If anyone can do it, I would love the layout for the circuit in the factory gem or something like it.

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  Then why not just activate the ingnition when the doors unlock with the transponder. And just use a simple switch to crank the engine.
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  Ahead of you on that one.  You would have to use a momentary to turn over the starter and kill it so it wouldn't grind (push button).  It will start the engine great, so now you have to stop it...
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  Let me brainstorm tonight and I'll get back to you in the morning.

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