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Avital 4105L, Expresskit Pkall, 08 Mustang


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newbie81 
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Posted: February 20, 2018 at 12:39 PM / IP Logged  
Thank you kreg … and mom the Remote Start
Remote start harness 5 pin
Black/white to chassis ground if auto transcorrection
Violet/white Dint use          ok
Brown        sjb, Gray 36 pin plug, pin 16       correction
Gray      to kit suppiled hood pin     correction
Blue/white to PKALL 6pin conection status             update
I don’t want to use gray wire to connect hood pin , what would it be ……??
Pls help
David
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Posted: February 20, 2018 at 3:54 PM / IP Logged  
The Hood Pin wire is a nice safety feature. It prevents you from remote starting the
engine if the hood is up ( think oil change with the oil draining and the filter removed ).
It will also shut down a remote started engine if you pop open the hood.
While I don't condone it, you could omit that safety feature by not connecting the Hood
Pin wire and insure that it does not / can not touch chassis ground. Cut the wire to
about 3 inches and wrap the end in electric tape to insulate it.
Soldering is fun!
newbie81 
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Posted: February 25, 2018 at 2:51 PM / IP Logged  
Pls help kregekreg357
When I presss start button everything turn on except engine. It doesn’t start then everything shutdown and turn on automatically but the engine doesn’t start. It keep repeating until I press start button again hen it turn off ....
Would you tell what is wrong with it ..?? I also post the video link .
Thank you
https://youtu.be/724TGRmG_7o
Even I unplug the d2d harness it still does the same ..
David
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Posted: February 25, 2018 at 4:24 PM / IP Logged  
Leave the PKALL D2D harness unplugged. Insert a working key into the ignition switch but do not turn it. Then try a remote start.
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Posted: February 25, 2018 at 6:42 PM / IP Logged  
And yes ... when I put key in, turn ignition on then put he remote start the engine starts after that ....
David
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Posted: February 25, 2018 at 7:24 PM / IP Logged  
kreg357 wrote:
Leave the PKALL D2D harness unplugged. Insert a working key into the ignition switch but do not turn it. Then try a remote start.
Perhaps a typo about you inserting the key and turning it to "IGNITION"? I suggested that the key was to be merely inserted but not turned.
At this point we are only trying to eliminate the transponder bypass part of your install, not all of the ignition wire connections.
So what happens if you insert the key but do not turn it, then try a remote start?
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Posted: February 25, 2018 at 7:44 PM / IP Logged  
Oh ... ha ha sorry . I didn’t read it clearly ...
So yep .. I just tried it put the key in and didn’t turn any then pressed
Remote start then the engine started after that ..
David
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Posted: February 25, 2018 at 7:55 PM / IP Logged  
OK, so you know where the problem is. The PKALL is not doing it's job to fool the car into thinking a valid
transponder chip is at the ignition switch.
Time to troubleshoot that area of your install. I believe that you are going D2D between the R/S and the
PKALL. This connection only provides the +12V power and ground. You are using the Blue/White 2nd Status/
Defog wire to turn the PKALL on during a R/S, so verify that connection and make sure the 4105 is still
programmed for its' default 2nd Status output from that wire. Did the PKALL program exactly as per the
instructions? If it did program OK and give the rapid 10 blink response, double check that the PKALL harnesses
are fully seated. If you didn't solder the RX and TX connections, double check them.
If you never got a successful PKALL program to the car, that is your problem.
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Posted: February 25, 2018 at 8:18 PM / IP Logged  
On Pkall 6 pin connector to program 1A
Purple/white to rx pin 4      Gray/Orange ok   added info
Yellow/black into tx pin 3    White/LtGreen             ok     added info
Blue/white to remote Start blue/white       ok
Green didn't useok
Pink into thick Pink Ignition pin1 ok
Black didn't useok
I did the same think you posted .... but I only have 1 original key
David
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Posted: February 25, 2018 at 8:30 PM / IP Logged  
Well, there you go. There is your problem. The PKALL has not programmed.
It is not possible to program the PKALL with only one key. You need two
keys like the instructions say. Not only do you need two keys, they need
to be unique transponder keys, not a cloned key that some places make for
you.
At this point your only option is to go to a Ford dealer and pay the price
to have them make and add another key to the PATS system. After you do that
you can successfully program the PKALL and get the R/S system working.
Additionally, I would buy a couple of transponder chipped key blanks off EBay
( $11.95 ), get them cut at a local hardware store ( $5 ) and program them
yourself to the car. Much cheaper than the dealer. But like the PKALL, you
can only add keys if you have two working keys.
Soldering is fun!
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