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2010 Honda Civic, Viper 5806 Activation Input


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8thcivic 
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Posted: February 04, 2020 at 12:07 AM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote 8thcivic
Hello all,
Just want to quickly say how grateful I am for this site, I have been lurking for some time and found this community an incredible resource. Thanks
This past weekend I installed a viper 5806 with the PKALL bypass module in my 2010 civic sport manual transmission.
I am having trouble with the activation input wire. It is my understanding that this is a ground pulse sent to the viper brain to finish the reservation mode sequence ie. driver door lock, correct? I don't have a wiring diagram for the door so I used my DMM and found what I thought was that at a larger green wire at the door/ body connector. Problem is the remote start does not work and there are a few other things I am unsure about so I would like to rule this wire out as the problem.
Any help greatly appreciated. :)
2010 civic sport
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Posted: February 04, 2020 at 7:48 AM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote kreg357
No, the Activation Input is not used for reservation mode. It is used to trigger a R/S. In Manual Transmission Mode yo need all the Door Triggers hooked up and connected to H1/3 (-) Door Trigger. You will need 4 1N4001 diodes.
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Posted: February 04, 2020 at 7:54 AM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote kreg357
Here are all the trigger wires for your car :
All Door Trigger / Dome Light   PINK (-)   BELOW FUSE BOX BLUE 6 PIN CONN, PIN 6
Driver's Front Door Pin   GREEN (-)   DASH FUSE BOX LT GREEN 42 PIN CONN, PIN 37
Pass Front Door Pin   LT GREEN (-)   DASH FUSE BOX LT GREEN 42 PIN CONN, PIN 3
Driver's Rear Door Pin   BROWN (-)   DASH FUSE BOX LT GREEN 42 PIN CONN, PIN 17
Pass Rear Door Pin   GRAY (-)   DASH FUSE BOX LT GREEN 42 PIN CONN, PIN 2
Trunk Pin   BLUE (-)   DASH FUSE BOX LT GREEN 42 PIN CONN, PIN 36
Hood Pin   LT BLUE (-)   DASH FUSE BOX BLUE 21 PIN CONN, PIN 13
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Posted: February 04, 2020 at 8:28 AM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote kreg357
Sorry, was looking at the wrong Viper pin out. The (-) Door Pin wire is Green at Pin 15.
Remember that to run in MT Mode, ou must have the Door. Trunk and Hood Pins connected and viable, must be in Tach Mode with a successful Tach Learn and have the Neutral Safety Input wire connected to the Parking Brake. Here is the info on the Parking Brake signal :
Parking Brake   ORANGE (-)   PARKING BRAKE SWITCH
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Posted: February 04, 2020 at 11:14 AM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote 8thcivic
Thanks for the quick reply. As you can probably tell I am not that proficient with this kind of thing.
I have the parking brake wire hooked up in a different spot than you described. I did a continuity test and got a signal when brake was applied.
Trunk pin hooked up as described. Hood pin wired to aftermarket pin.
I will see if I can run out and pick up the diodes locally.
All Door Trigger / Dome Light   PINK (-)   BELOW FUSE BOX BLUE 6 PIN CONN, PIN 6 - also gets connected to (-) Door input?
Do I need to use the activation input wire?
What meter reading should I expect when checking the factory arm/disarm wires? I get 12v on the small brown wire and 0 when key is turned in drivers door.
Thanks :)
2010 civic sport
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Posted: February 04, 2020 at 1:42 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote kreg357
Check out the procedure to get into Reservation Mode. The Viper needs to see the Parking Brake come on while the engine is running. It watches the Neutral Safety wire.
The All Door Trigger is not needed if the Dome Light comes on with an Unlock command from the Viper remote.
There is a bunch of extra wiring needed for MTS installs to ensure safety.
Did you do a clutch bypass?
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Posted: February 04, 2020 at 1:50 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote 8thcivic
Thanks Kreg,
When you say clutch bypass you mean:
(-)200mA STARTER OUTPUT to ORANGE wire at clutch?
Thanks again for the help, I've got some work to do and It will be a few days until I can get to it, but I will let you know how I make out.
2010 civic sport
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Posted: February 04, 2020 at 1:58 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote 8thcivic
One other question:
"must be in Tach Mode with a successful Tach Learn" Are you referring to changing the programming in the viper Menu 3 Item 2 (Engine checking mode) from Option 1 - virtual tach to Option 4 - Tachometer?
Menu 3 - Remote start
Item Feature Opt. 1 Opt. 2 Opt. 3 Opt.4 Opt. 5+
1 Transmission Mode Manual Automatic
2 Engine Checking Mode Virtual Tach Voltage OFF Tachometer
3 Cranking Time (seconds) 0.6 sec. 0.8 sec. 1.0 sec. 1.2 sec.
I have the tach input connected to the fuel injector
2010 civic sport
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Posted: February 04, 2020 at 2:11 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote kreg357
Yes, just Menu 3, Item 2. The default is Virtual Tach and must be changed to Tach.
Menu 3, Item 1 is OK, the default is Manual.
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Posted: February 04, 2020 at 5:06 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote silvercivicsir
my understanding was changing the virtual tach to normal tach wasn't necessary.. Yes you have to hook up tach, but once you "learn" tach, the unit automatically switches to Tach from virutal tach.
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