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Making Sense Of Wiring In A Home Made Childís Toy Car


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Posted: April†26, 2021 at 7:53 AM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote wamphray
Can anyone help me make sense of the wiring on a childís toy car, made out of an elderly electric wheelchair thirty years ago, and now being refurbed. The original motor has gone and I canít work out where the wires should go when trying to fit in a new motor.
The attached picture shows the set up. The black handle at the top of the picture made the car go forward or back. It used to drive the wheel seen at the top left but the new motor is mounted to drive the opposite wheel. I havenít yet blanked off the hole left by the removal of the old motor.
No 4 is the button which makes the thing go. It sat on the floor and was pressed with the foot. One wire goes from it to the side of the solenoid. The other goes - through a Terminal Block and white wire (marked A) to the negative terminal on the battery. At the moment, when power is applied, the solenoid makes a clunk noise.
Wire No 1 goes straight back to the negative terminal on the battery.
Wire No 2 (which must once have gone to an in-line fuse) goes to the positive terminal on the battery.
The terminal at B was loose and I donít know if anything was attached to it (or should be).
The terminal at C seems to have had something attached to it.
I am enthusiastic but not very good with electrics. If anyone can tell me how to wire it up to make it go forward or backwards it make my granddaughter very happy.
Thanks in advance for any help.
John
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Posted: April†26, 2021 at 7:58 AM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote wamphray
And here's a picture of what the whole car looks like at the moment ...
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I have a few questions.
Do you have a multimeter?
The 2 terminals on top of the switch, is that a jumper connecting them together? Was that there initially?
How many connections on the forward/reverse switch?
Does that switch also control speed?
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From what I am thinking, do not attempt any of this till we verify with a meter.
The white wire and the terminal on left of forward/reverse switch is power input.
Terminal C is ground input to switch. I am thinking that Ring 1 was connected there.
The 2 terminals on top of switch go to the motor.
It will be very simple to confirm these connections with an ohm meter.
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Posted: April†26, 2021 at 2:18 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote i am an idiot
Does the red wire go to the positive terminal of the battery?
The white wire with the homemade ring terminal should go to the other terminal on top of the solenoid.
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Posted: April†27, 2021 at 12:02 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote wamphray
Thanks for the replies.
Yes. I have a multimeter although I don't really know how to use it. I treat it like a test bulb.
Yes .. There's a jumper at the top of the forward/reverse switch. It has always been there, although one side was not tightened down, as if something had been removed from it.
There are five connections on the Forward Reverse switch (including the two jumpers). One is not visible in my first photograph.
There is no speed control - just a button on the floor which is effectively and on/off switch. As long as it's pressed, the car moves.
I've drawn up a wiring diagram of the wires as they are currently connected - I'm fairly certain they're connected as they were when the car worked with its previous motor.
I suppose my question is where do wires A,B,C & D go?
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Posted: April†27, 2021 at 6:56 PM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote i am an idiot
Remove jumper from 1a to 1b.
Set meter to the ohm setting. If it is not an auto ranging meter set it to 200 ohms.
Set forward / reverse switch to forward.
One meter lead on 1a, other meter lead to each other terminal and post the readings
To 1b
to 2
to 3
to 4
Then one lead to 1b and the other to each other and post those readings.
To 1a
to 2
to 3
to 4
one lead to 2 and the other lead to each other and post
To 1a
to 1b
to 3
to 4
One lead to 3 and other lead to each other
To 1a
to 1b
to 2
to 4
Switch to reverse and do the same.
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Posted: April†28, 2021 at 5:11 AM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote wamphray
Thanks for writing out such clear instructions. Everything worked better when I changed the battery in the multimeter!
The forward/reverse switch has four positions (and rotates between them endlessly in either direction).
I followed your plan in each of the four positions. There were no readings in Positions 1 and 3.
In Position 2, there was a reading (of 1.2) when the meter was connected across terminals 1b and 2
In Position 4, there was a reading (of 1.4) when the meter was connected across terminals 1a and 3   
Does that point the way?
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Posted: April†28, 2021 at 5:15 AM / IP Logged Link to Post Post Reply Quote wamphray
By the way: I was talking nonsense when I said that one side of the jumper appeared to have been untightened (as if something had once been connected to it). I was getting my terminals mixed up. Both jumpers were tight (and the exposed end of the threads were uniformly corroded). I don't think there had ever been anything else connected to the jumper.
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I do not have enough data. Did you perform all 16 of the tests?
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