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Cold cranking wire? on a remote starter?


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sambryan 
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Posted: January 30, 2004 at 6:16 PM / IP Logged  

I am trying to install a remote start alarm into a 1990 300ZX.   I have a question on how cold cranking works...  One thing that makes things difficult is the DEI wiring diagram is slightly different from my harness.  I will illustrate both below....

My 300ZX has your typical ignition setup with one exception

IGN     BLACK/ Red
STARTER  BLACK/ White
ACC Blue
+12 White
?????????? BLACK / YELLOW

Here is also a schematic from the 300ZX online manual.....

http://300zx-twinturbo.com/cgi-bin/manual.cgi?list=el&dir=&config=&refresh=&direction=forward&scale=0&cycle=off&slide=5&design=default&total=133

Here is DEI's chart

12v White
Starter BLACK / YELLOW
Second Starter BLACK / YELLOW
Ign BLACK/ Red
ACC Blue

Notice that DEI shows a second starter..... and 2 black yellow wires... 

Is it possible that the BLACK / YELLOW is a second starter?  And if so would I need to hook it up?  I read one post off of the forum about having a cold crank wire that needed to be hooked up.
HOW would I hook this up???????????????

sambryan 
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I found through searching that this is probably a second starter wire.  When connecting this would I use a relay? 

Also this is a Lynx 2000 alarm.  Which is real close to a crimestopper alarm.  They both have the manual safe remote start...

ExactOh 
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Function

 

Vehicle  Color

Location

Start:

 

BLACK/ WHITE

IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS **

Ignition  #1:

 

BLACK/ RED

IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS

Ignition #2:

 

N/A

Ignition  #3:

 

N/A

Accessory:

 

BLUE

IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS

Brake  Light:

 

RED / BLACK (+)

AT SWITCH ABOVE BRAKE PEDAL

Tach  Signal:

 

YELLOW/RED

AT TACH TEST CONNECTOR OR ECM *

Parking Lights:

 

GREEN/ RED

(+) AT LIGHT SWITCH

Headlights:

 

PINK (DRIVER)

PINK/BLACK (PASS.) (-) @ LIGHT SWITCH

OEM Alarm  Disarm:

 

GRAY/RED

(-) DRIVER KICK PANEL

OEM Alarm  Arm:

 

BLUE/RED

(-) DRIVER KICK PANEL

Diesel  Glow Plug:

 

Clutch  Bypass Wire:

 

Notes:

 * Tach Test Connector Located Behind Engine Compartment Fuse/Relay Block In Driver Front Of Engine Compartment. Engine Control Module (ECM) Located Behind Dash. ** This Vehicle Is Equipped With Two Start Wires. Both Must Be Powered In Order For Vehicle To Start When Engine Is Cold; See Note #235 - Nissan Starter Wires Diagram.
sambryan 
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So do I need to attach the Black Yellow?  Can I just splice it in with the black white?  Plus that last chart was missing the White +12 .....
chriswallace187 
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You can splice it in with the BLACK/ white; however the best way to do it is to use a relay. Hook it up as follows:
85 - 12v + high current output from remote start
86 - remote start's ground when running output
87 - fused constant 12v+
87a - not used
30 - BLACK / YELLOW second starter wire
I'm not entirely sure what exactly the second starter wire does; it doesn't actually go to the starter solenoid, it's just only hot during crank. It has something to do with controlling the fuel during startup, like it injects more fuel when it's cold or something like that. At any rate though, it is necessary to hook it up for remote start.
daniel2002p 
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if you do not hook it up, it will take your car way longer to crank.
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ExactOh 
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Yes, you can hook it up directly with the other starter wire, but like chris stated, it's best to use a N.O. relay triggered with the Ign 3 wire from your remote starter.  This wire does directly go to the starter solenoid, but the car's ignition system only uses it when it is cold, so using a relay would avoid the wire being energized in uneeded conditions, like when you start your car with the key in the summer.

superchuckles 
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actually, not using a relay will eventually burn up your coil - the entire purpose of the "cold start wire" is to provide extra voltage during 1st starts in cold weather - when it needs more spark power.  during cranking, your ignition system gets less voltage since most of the current is being used by the starter, and a "cold start" taxes the battery more.   the cold start wire provides the full 12v to the coil, only for starting the car.  generally, cars that have this feature, use a ballast resistor to "run" on.  if yours does, then it means that your coil is only rated for whatever voltage you get at the ballast resistor for continuous duty use, and leaving that cold start wire energized all the time, will likely burn out your coil. 

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