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StlS_Ron 
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Ok been reading for the last 4 days about glassing a enclosure.  Som esay if you can stand on it its strong enough. . is there a good rule of thumb for this??? also ive read when layering \

1st person - 1 layer at a time

2nd person - No more than 3 layers at a time

3rd person - The most you can at one time

I would think that the most you can at once that way it all dries together.  what are your guys opinion?

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Drocay 
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i was taught the more layers u can do at one time the stronger it will come out.
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I usually do up to 3 layers at a time.  I don't know about it being stronger or not though.  I guess there is less chance of bubbles showing up if you do multiple layers.

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well, it can be done anyway really, but for the best strenght its usually best to do a layer at a time when applying it. I say that because with just one layer u can work out the air bubbles. With this being said, it is possible (as I do it all the time) to apply one layer, work out the air bubbles, and add another layer, work out the bubbles, add a layer.... and so on and so forth. I usually only add about 3 layers at a time like Steven cuz its usually bout then that the fumes make me dizzy haha.
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dxav 
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Well, specing out how many layers can be hard. It also depends on the weight of glass mat you use. The lighter the mat, the more layers you need.
I am working with 2 10" JL (W6, I think). I am using 2 oz chopped mat, and adding Q-cells, and chopped strand in the resin. We have already used 5 gallons of resin, and have not done the front yet. We already have 4 layers on, which is about 1/3" thick in its thinnest spot. Each sub will handle about 1000 Watts, so 4 or 5 layers should be plenty. This is where we stopped.
Remember that fiberglass strength comes from curves. A 1/4" thick fiberglass wall with 3 or 4 medium curves is actually stronger than a 3/4" MDF flat piece of board.
Our enclosure will be ported, this also adds to the question, "Is it thick enough?" A sealed box has more pressure, where a port can aleviate some stress.
Another relevant factor is the amount of fiberglass and MDF being used. Are the bottom, back, and sides made of (at least) 3/4" MDF, and you are only covering the front with glass? If so, you will need to mix resin (a little Hot would be best), and just add Q-cells/chopped strand, and paint all the joints from the inside where the glass meets the MDF.
And no, standing on the box is not a good judgement of strength, some of us being lightweights (particularly me). Haha!
stereofreak 
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i'm not a rookie,but to the glass thing a little,but what are q-cells??
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archemedes 
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if you do too many layers at once it will take longer to dry
dxav 
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stereofreak,
   Q-cells, along with Talc, and several other additives for resin mixes to add strength and act as a filler. Check US Composites....
And back to the original question posted. If the MEKP is mixed perfect, you should wait about 15-20 minutes prior to laying another layer. As the layers cure together, it will build strength. Keep the air bubbles out!!!

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