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auex

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Posted: August 11, 2004 at 10:36 PM / IP Logged

Forget monster cable, Here. Goes back the the $485.00 Wooden knob, if you would like I will find some reviews that include prices. Some may know of the company and some may not.

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Posted: August 11, 2004 at 10:44 PM / IP Logged

Kimber Kable is amazing but in a different price range. At least around here it is. But I have used it in a home audio set up and it was incredible stuff but the 1 foot ca's I ran from the preamp to the amp were like 1200 bucks a pair.

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Posted: August 11, 2004 at 10:47 PM / IP Logged

Also dont forget about chapter audio. 3 meters of speaker wire will run you 3 g's

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swede

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Posted: August 12, 2004 at 9:18 AM / IP Logged

I bought about $800 worth of Monster cable for my home system - all Sony ES with Walsh Ohm speakers. NOTHING of mine is abused - everything looks like the day it was opened. I thought they were "nice" but after about a year.....certainly not worth the money I spent. About 90% of them the rubber grip ends all split in two and fell off. I've also had a number of "loose ends". The toslinks? About 40% of them the ends have split in two and the casing fell off. When I went back to the store to see if any of this was warrantied, I was told flat out "no".

My girlfriend bought all A/R Pro cables. She has had hers now for almost two years and they still look and sound great. All for about half what I paid for the Monster.

So, do I think Monsters are good cables? Yes.

Do I think they're worth the money? Absolutely not.

Would I buy them again? Probably not.

Just my 2 cents.

Subtlety is EVERYTHING.

swede

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Posted: August 12, 2004 at 9:21 AM / IP Logged

PS: and as I understand "home" is a different fruit from "car", my experience with the home side has most certainly determined my feelings about the company in general.

Subtlety is EVERYTHING.

archemedes

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Posted: August 12, 2004 at 1:49 PM / IP Logged

the ones I've had the connectors loosened quite a bit. I usually use the parts express cables now (cheaper and very good quaility)I've had a few sets of monster cables that the solder failed. they are not bad cables, just there are better cables for less money

flynntech

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Posted: August 12, 2004 at 5:41 PM / IP Logged

I you are going to be spending that kind of cash, why not connect your system with wave guide or fiber optics?

$3,000 for 3 meters of speaker wire? That's a scam if I ever heard one!

For three grand, I could build a killer system, while someone else would only have bought 3 meters of speaker wire......interesting.

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Posted: August 12, 2004 at 8:04 PM / IP Logged

Ok Ravendarat, I am offering a sincere apology, I did not mean any personal offense with my 'techno-talk' wise crack and I am not trying to challenge you on your opinions of monster cables. I was picking on your spelling too, but I also understand that you live in Canada and there is a good chance that you might be bi-lingual (french/english) and that is certainly better than I can do.

I will agree that a signal is not just electricity passing through a wire, there are many variables.

I will also agree that it costs a considerable amount of money for any type of winding.

What I will challenge is monster cables themselves. I will make it a point to test some of these and I will post my findings good or bad. I do have the means to look at exactly what is mentioned in thier advertisment. I can check phase, amplitude, frequency, distortion...almost anything you can imagine.....why? because I'm just nutty like that!

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Posted: August 12, 2004 at 10:44 PM / IP Logged

I'm going to toss in my $0.02 here...

I'm too much of an engineer to buy into a lot of the my-cable-can-beat-up-your-cable garbage, and here's why:

A while back, I was a member of an audio society, an AES chapter with some real tweak-ophiles in it. You know the kind, the ones who try and justify the $3k they just spent on 10' of speaker cable.

At the behest of one member, I acquired an ABX comparator. Its a box that allows correct ABX comparisons to take place with all the scientific precision one could ask for. We did about 30 rounds or so of testing, half with speaker cables and half with line level stuff. The winner for subwoofers was a piece of 6AWG 4 conductor I brought, terminated with Home Depot spades. The winning "mains" speaker cable was 12AWG zip cord. The winning RCA was one of the gold series stereo pairs from of all places, Radio Shack.

By win, I mean the cheapest cable that was unable to be identified in a statistically significant manner. After 6 or 7 rounds of 8 switches back and forth, there was no agreement among the audience that the zip cord was any better than a $3300 set of Kimber biwire speaker cables. The Rat Shack RCAs went up against the best from Kimber, Audioquest, and some esoteric stuff made by society members. The tweak-o-philes decried the tests as improper or flawed somehow, but I haven't yet heard anything that can be proved to skew the outcome of such a test in the manner in which we tested the cables. I've also done a fair number of psychoacoustic tests, some placebo theory work, and a decent study of the Bose marketing method. All of them fall apart as soon as preconceived perception is removed from the equation.

As long as the cable doesn't have an overt amount of inductance or capacitance (*cough* MIT *cough*) and the outputs driving that cable are linear and well developed (be it line level or speaker level) cable is cable is cable. It comes down to what I mentioned somewhere else. Charge likes fat pipes. Give it a well designed low impedence path to wherever you want it to go, and it'll go very happily. (well, kinda, but this is a very high level discussion ;-)

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Ravendarat

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Posted: August 13, 2004 at 12:42 AM / IP Logged

Quack on Dave, Quack on. P.S. Feel free to make fun of my spelling whenever you want. I am not Bi Lingual, I just cant spell, never could so gave up trying, most of it is close enough that you can figure out what I mean. Like I said yesterday, I had a bad day and probally, scratch that, did over react. I also wouldnt even start trying to disput dpaton's findings because, quite honestly, you are over my head and I have no problem saying that. For what its worth, the first time I heard those monster test set up in my store, I didnt know which was which, I just walked in and one of my sales weasels did the demo for me and asked which I thought was better. So without knowing which one was suposed to sound better it was pretty clear cut. As I said, I am not going to dispute the findings of Dave because I simply cant do it, I can only offer up my personal experiences which I already did previously in this tread.

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