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jal901 
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Posted: August 31, 2004 at 11:00 AM / IP Logged  

I have a copy of the DEI Directwire wiring information for a 1995 Honda Passport.

It lists 2 starter wires (no other documents I have found, including the factory electrical manual mention anything for a 2nd starter wire).

It is a long story regarding the 94/95/95.5 model years, so I won't bore you with it now.

I have seen the wiring pages here on "the12volt".  I want to compare them to the DEI "Directwire" info. 

DEI's website requires a dealer password, so I can't access it easily. 

I would like a link to the DEI Directwire page that shows the wiring information for a 1994 Honda Passport.

If you cannot provide that link can you look up the following information for me....

From ***DEI's "Directwire"*** page for 1994 Honda Passport:  does it show wiring for a "Second Starter"... if so, what does it say?

Thank you

swamprat323 
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1994
|       ITEM      |     WIRE COLOR     |POL|       WIRE LOCATION        |
|              12V|black               |+ |ignition harness            |
|          STARTER|wht/blu or blk/wht |+ |ignition harness            |
|   SECOND STARTER|blk/red or green    |+ |ignition harness            |
|        IGNITION|BLACK / YELLOW        |+ |ignition harness            |
|        ACCESSORY|blue               |+ |ignition harness            |
|       POWER LOCK|add actuator        |   |in drivers door             |
|     POWER UNLOCK|                    |   |                            |
| PARKING LIGHTS +|GREEN/ red           |   |by left front speaker       |
|       HEADLIGHTS|RED / blue            |- |at light switch             |
|     DOOR TRIGGER|RED / green           |- |2 pin plug by LF spkr.      |
| TRUNK/HATCH PIN|lt. green           |- |drivers kick or *2          |
|TRNK/HTCH RELEASE|RED / blue            |+ |at switch                   |
|       TACHOMETER|blue, BLACK/ red     |   |at coil, coil pack          |
|       BRAKE WIRE|red                 |+ |brake pedal switch          |
|     HORN TRIGGER|GREEN/ red *3        |- |steering column             |
|           WIPERS|blue               |+ |at switch                   |
| LF WINDOW UP/DN|RED / yel - grn/yel   |A |drivers door switch        |
| RF WINDOW UP/DN|blu/wht - blu/blk *1|A |drivers door switch        |
| LR WINDOW UP/DN|RED / blu - grn/blu *1|A |drivers door switch        |
| RR WINDOW UP/DN|RED / blk - grn/blk *1|A |drivers door switch        |
Notes:
*1 The window wires change color in the drivers kick. The R.F. window is grn/red for up and RED / yel for down. The L.R. window is grn/orn for up and RED / blk for down. The R.R. window is grn/blu for up and red for down.      *2 behind left rear side panel at the rear wiper diode.    *3 High-current ground. Use a relay when interfacing with this circuit.
1995
|       ITEM      |     WIRE COLOR     |POL|       WIRE LOCATION        |
|              12V|black               |+ |ignition harness            |
|          STARTER|wht/blu or blk/wht |+ |ignition harness            |
|   SECOND STARTER|blk/red or green    |+ |ignition harness            |
|        IGNITION|BLACK / YELLOW        |+ |ignition harness            |
|        ACCESSORY|blue               |+ |ignition harness            |
|       POWER LOCK|add actuator        |   |in drivers door             |
|     POWER UNLOCK|                    |   |                            |
| PARKING LIGHTS +|GREEN/ red           |   |by left front speaker       |
|       HEADLIGHTS|RED / blue            |- |at light switch             |
|     DOOR TRIGGER|RED / green           |- |2 pin plug by LF spkr.      |
| TRUNK/HATCH PIN|lt. green           |- |drivers kick or *2          |
|TRNK/HTCH RELEASE|RED / blue            |+ |at switch                   |
|       TACHOMETER|blue, BLACK/ red     |   |at coil, coil pack          |
|       BRAKE WIRE|red                 |+ |brake pedal switch          |
|     HORN TRIGGER|GREEN/ red *3        |- |steering column             |
|           WIPERS|blue               |+ |at switch                   |
| LF WINDOW UP/DN|RED / yel - grn/yel   |A |drivers door switch        |
| RF WINDOW UP/DN|blu/wht - blu/blk *1|A |drivers door switch        |
| LR WINDOW UP/DN|RED / blu - grn/blu *1|A |drivers door switch        |
| RR WINDOW UP/DN|RED / blk - grn/blk *1|A |drivers door switch        |
Notes:
NOTE: For 95.5 models use the 96 diagram. *1 The window wires change color in the drivers kick. The R.F. window is grn/red for up and RED / yel for down. The L.R. window is grn/orn for up and RED / blk for down. The R.R. window is grn/blu for up and red for down.      *2 behind left rear side panel at the rear wiper diode.    *3 High-current ground. Use a relay when interfacing with this circuit.
jal901 
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Posted: August 31, 2004 at 12:21 PM / IP Logged  

Thank you for the quick reply.

From this DEI information it appears there are 2 starter circuits, HOWEVER both the Honda factory "Electrical Trouble Shooting Manual" (effectively the wiring book for the car) does NOT show anything about a 2nd starter circuit, nor does the information available on the12volt (this website) show anything about a 2nd starter.

I am trying to prepare as much as possible before actually starting the installation of a Clarion SR5000.

Once I have started the installation I will check every circuit (and not make any assumptions regarding any wiring diagrams).  However, it does appear that the DEI information regarding a 2nd starter circuit is not correct.  Am I REASONABLY safe in making the assumption there is ***probably*** not a 2nd starter circuit in a 1995 Honda Passport and the DEI information is not correct?

Thank you

mo12v 
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I have NO mention of 2 Start wires:

Constant 12 voltsBLACKIGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
Ignition 12 voltsBLACK / YELLOWIGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
StarterBLACK/ WHITE OR BLK/RED IGNITION SWITCH HARNESS
Dome LightRED / GREEN OR BLACK
(-)		2 WAY WHT CONN.BEHIND DRV FRT SPEAKER
Trunk Pin SwitchLIGHT GREEN (-) DRIVERQUARTER PANEL BEHIND REAR WASHER
Parking LampGREEN/ RED(+) AT HEADLIGHT SW.OR DRIVER KICK
Power LockADD ACTUATORADD ACTUATOR TO DRIVER DOOR
Power UnlockADD ACTUATORADD ACTUATOR TO DRIVER DOOR *
* 1995 1/2 Passport Door Locks: L GREEN/ RED (Lock) & RED / WHITE (Unlock) In Driver Kick Panel.  Negative Pulse Door Lock

Accessories
Window UpD\ BLU/BLK P\ GRN/RED D\ GRN/WHT P\ GRN/BLU @ MAIN Switch
Window DownF/ BLU/RED F/ RED / YEL R/ RED / BLU R/ RED
Ign Key WarnGREEN / WHITE (+) 2 WAYWHITE CONN. ABOVE PARK BRAKE *
Trunk ReleaseRED / BLUE (+)AT TAILGATE GLASS RELEASE SWITCH
OEM HornBLACK/ ORANGE (-)13 WAY WHITE CONN.ABOVE PARK BRAKE
HeadlightsRED / BLUE (-)AT HEADLIGHT SWITCH OR AT RELAY **
OEM Alarm ArmN/A
OEM Alarm DisarmN/A

Reversal Rest At Ground Power Window Circuit . * GREEN / WHITE Changes Color To RED At This Connector. ** Headlight Relay Located In Fuse/Relay Block In Passenger Side Of Engine Compartment. Output To Headlights: RED / WHT (Dr) & RED / GRN (Ps) (+), One Circuit, Two Fuses.

Remote Start
Tach SignalBLUE (2.6L) ORBLACK/ RED (3.2L) SEE NOTES *
Ignition #2N/A
Ignition #3N/A
AccessoryBLUE OR BLACKIGNITION SWITCH HARNESS **
Neutral SafetyYELLOW CHANGES TOWHITE/ GREEN AT GEAR SELECT SWITCH
Brake LightRED(+) AT SWITCH ABOVE BRAKE PEDAL
Reverse LightRED / YELLOW (+)WHITE 20 WAY CONN.-DRIVER KICK PANEL
Rear Window Defrost

* 2.6L Engine BLUE Tach Wire Located On Passenger Side Of Engine Compartment (Single BLUE Wire With Female Bullet Terminal In Clear Insulator). 3.2L Engine BLACK/ RED Tach Wire Located At Black 6 Pin Plug On Electronic Ignition Module On Front Of Engine.

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jal901 
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Posted: August 31, 2004 at 6:24 PM / IP Logged  
mo12v wrote:

I have NO mention of 2 Start wires:...... 

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The tables you sent appear similar to the information I have in my factory manual.

If you don't mind, can you tell me/us what was the source of the tables you sent?

Thank you

swamprat323 
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Prob all the wire your self and see what you coem up with. if putting a alarm in cut the starter wire and try and start the car.
My other guide dont mention it either. Only reason i can think of you, you dotn need it for remote start, but normally they mention that.
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cut the 2nd starter wire and see if the vehicle starts.  and vise-versa with the first starter wire.

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