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stevdart 
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Posted: September 07, 2004 at 6:13 PM / IP Logged  

I'm with you, Teken, and well put.  I do remember the original question.......

Now, for the purpose of ascertaining that a wire is big enough to handle the highest amount of current it will get from the amplifier:  You have one amplifier feeding one sub box in the trunk, the total length of the one wire is 10'. 

What is the highest current for

400 watts @ 4 ohms?

600 watts @ 2 ohms?

1000 watts @ 1 ohm?

And using https://www.the12volt.com/info/recwirsz.asp as a wire size guide...

My answers are: 

1.  10 amps, min. wire size 16 gauge

2.   17.32 amps, min. wire size 14 ga.

3.   31.62 amps, min. wire size 12 ga.

16 gauge copper wire to small? - Page 3 -- posted image.

Build the box so that it performs well in the worst case scenario and, in return, it will reward you at all times.
stevdart 
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Posted: September 07, 2004 at 6:26 PM / IP Logged  

Bonus Q:

1000 watts @ 2 ohms?

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evanc 
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Posted: September 07, 2004 at 6:56 PM / IP Logged  

1/0 gauge speaker wire.....

Just thought I'd add some humor.

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Posted: September 07, 2004 at 7:53 PM / IP Logged  
LMAO... All of you guys crack me up !! 16 gauge copper wire to small? - Page 3 -- posted image. At the end of the day it is up to the installer / user to deicde.
If he / she has gleaned any valuable information as it pertains to their specific application, then they are better off for it.
I for one always learn at least one thing from this site and from it's valuable members.
At the end there is always a common ground to be found with respect to SQ, and practical application of the circuit.
I prefer to stick with the basics first, design the circuit so as it will sustain the maximum current draw with the highest load it *may* encounter in the future, safely.
While keeping the primary goals of circuit safety for the passenger, and the vehicle at all times via fusing, breakers, distribution blocks, cable length, etc.
After all that . . . It's all gravy, and what the bling bling factor you think will appease you and the stereo Gods.   16 gauge copper wire to small? - Page 3 -- posted image.
The end goal, and only goal, has and always will be is to listen to our music.
Regards
EVIL Teken . . .
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Posted: September 07, 2004 at 8:31 PM / IP Logged  

Man you guys are no fun. 16 gauge copper wire to small? - Page 3 -- posted image.

I guess I see this question asked a great deal, and figured a good technical answer on the finer side of things would be advantageous.  I figured it would give a great thread to link to that gives the final answer to the question.  And I don't think the discussion went off topic, but that it explored the topic in it's entirety.

As a previous installer, I don't like to run 14 awg speaker wire into the door jams of vehicles.  I would much rather run 18 awg wire, but want to be sure the smaller stuff isn't a potential for disaster.  And that's why I would like to see a conclusion to this question.  Oh well, maybe I can talk my boss into putting up a tech paper on this topic.

Steven Kephart

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Posted: September 07, 2004 at 8:46 PM / IP Logged  
With all this talent on this site why no one has come up with a wireless system that pounds? This way we would not have to worry about what size speaker wires to run.
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Posted: September 07, 2004 at 9:19 PM / IP Logged  

Maybe if Adire comes up with a nice package for those little D amps it has been teasing everyone with longer speaker runs could be a thing of the past as the little amp could sit closer to the speaker...

New Project: 2003 Pathfinder
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Posted: September 07, 2004 at 10:47 PM / IP Logged  
stevdart wrote:

Bonus Q:

1000 watts @ 2 ohms?

For a star and a chance to advance,

It's 14 gauge wire....  slightly over 22 amperes of current.

Build the box so that it performs well in the worst case scenario and, in return, it will reward you at all times.
DanWiggins 
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Posted: September 08, 2004 at 6:58 PM / IP Logged  
Hi all,
The Dick Pierce posting is quite informative, and I think the crux of the issue has been overlooked... As posted, you can see the change from a damping factor of 20 to 2000 is extremely small - around 5%! You'll get a bigger change in Qts from moving the driver from a 55 deg F environment to moving to an 80 deg F environment. This comes from DCR changes in temperature, as well as suspension stiffness changes from different temperatures.
Overall, unless you have extremely low damping factors, or you have extremely thin cables, you really don't need heavy gauge wire. 16 AWG is sufficient for just about any home or automotive installation; even a lot of prosound (where you can have 200 foot runs) is done with 16 AWG, and done quite successfully.
And as far as those cute little class D units, not until I'm done playing with them! :D
Dan Wiggins
Adire Audio
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