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meef 
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Posted: November 29, 2004 at 5:50 PM / IP Logged  
what do you think about that kenwood tho? my friend is kinda desperate for rent money so im tryin to help her out if i can, but at the same time dont wanna dick myself over
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Damn that Cadence is nice, its already over $80 though, so I dunno if your gonna be able to get that one. I would go with the second kenwood amp mentioned, the KAC-7201. My friend has one hooked up to 2 memphis 250W subs. It shakes his whole car, and hte gain is like a eighth of the way up, I would highly suggest that amp. I have never heard a xtant, but have heard nothing but good things.
meef 
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would that KAC-7201 be good for if i were to expand to 2 Shivas tho instead of just one?
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Posted: November 29, 2004 at 7:40 PM / IP Logged  

pimpincavy wrote:
It shakes his whole car, and hte gain is like a eighth of the way up

Just a warning for you guys out there on this one.  Pimpin, your post made it sound like there was more power for him to get out of the gain... like it was a volume control.  This is an incorrect version of what gain is.  If your friend set his gain correctly it IS delivering FULL POWER at 1/8.

See the gain page at http://www.bcae1.com/

"Contrary to popular belief, an amplifiers gain control does not determine the maximum power that an amplifier can produce. As long as the preamp/drive signal has sufficient level, the amplifier will produce its maximum power output level. The gain controls are used to match the amplifer's gain to the gain of the other amplifiers in the system (in the case of a multi-amp system). The gain controls also allow you to match the amplifier(s) to the head unit."

"You should remember:

1.The gain controls are designed to match the amplifier to the head unit.
2.The gain controls do NOT determine how much power an amp will produce." http://www.bcae1.com/gaincon2.htm

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That Kenwood 7201 is a good amp.  It runs 150 x2 or 460 x 1.  I'm not sure what the shiva's are running.
meef 
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Posted: November 30, 2004 at 10:24 PM / IP Logged  
tho i know yall will say to go have a custom box made, or make one myself, would this qlogic box i was looking at be good?
ARS QLH12512DE
1.25ft^3 Internal Volume
15.75"H x 32"W
15.75 bottom x 9.25 top depth
i dont know any more of the specs on it, but would that be ok/decent for them?
uthinkuknoaudio 
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Save the extra money and cough up the dough for the cadence amp, you won't be dissappointed, as it will provide you with the cleanest and most efficient power of any of the other ones mentioned. Perhaps only rivaled by the XTANT, but i think the Cadence is still a better amp.
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uthinkuknoaudio wrote:
Save the extra money and cough up the dough for the cadence amp, you won't be dissappointed, as it will provide you with the cleanest and most efficient power of any of the other ones mentioned. Perhaps only rivaled by the XTANT, but i think the Cadence is still a better amp.

I agree that the Cadence is the better amp here.  It is surely cleaner.  However, it is surely not more efficient.  The Cadence information says it is a class A amplifier.  Class A amplifiers are very inefficient.  The Xtant and Kenwood are class D amplifiers.  Class D amplifiers have higher levels of distortion than class A and most A/B, but are FAR MORE efficient.

So, not to argue, but while the Cadence is the cleanest, it is the LEAST efficient.

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meef 
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Posted: December 01, 2004 at 12:01 AM / IP Logged  
alright..well..ill try for the cadence then. but yea...what about the box?
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i thought this kid was trying to save money while he was putting this system together, but almost everyone thats posted has told him to do what they want personally, not in his best intrest. my first post in which i suggested to keep the amp he already has and get two kicker comps 12's (only $90 each, or 10's for $79) is wise because it utilizies his current equipment and leaves lots of room in his $400 budget (about $220) for a nice set of interrior speakers, and a well built speaker box. the KX200.2 is enough to push the Comps right now, but the subs still leave room to upgrade to a different amp, maybe a KX400.1 class d monoblock, and use the 200.2 for a set of seperates, while he could still move the location of the coaxils he bought with the left over money to the rear. this would save this poor kid from buying two new amps, getting a mediocore pair of  coaxils that he will just junk in time to buy better ones, and in the end result in a great sounding system. i don't know if any of you actually work in the car audio business, but if you do and you can learn to sell to your customers in that manner, you will see the return. just a tip.

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