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Posted: November 28, 2004 at 12:08 PM / IP Logged  
The YELLOW wire will be along side the BLACK wire and the WHITE wire all in the same tubing from the key cylinder.
Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
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Morden, Manitoba CANADA
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Posted: November 28, 2004 at 12:42 PM / IP Logged  
Alright things are getting more serious.   Last night I guess, the car completly shut down while he was driving doing 35mph....it just shut off.   And the key keeps locking into the cylinder, if you jump start the car the key comes unlocked. WTF?????     
As far as the yellow wire goes, there was no tubing withen the steering colum.   I was also told I might find the wire in with all the main power wires..
Velocity have you worked on one of these cars yet? If so what bypass did you use?   Do you think the PLXR is the problem.   I am considering unhooking the PLXR and see if thats the root of the problem
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Posted: November 28, 2004 at 2:53 PM / IP Logged  
Remove the PLXR ans use the PLDATA instead. This will solve some of your problems and give you less wires to trouble shoot as well.
Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
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Posted: November 29, 2004 at 8:26 PM / IP Logged  
I was strongly considering this,   what do you know about the charging system in these cars.   I had charged the battery and started it orignally but the guy had had to jump start it 3 times to try and get the key out, well now he is having problems with either with the battery or alternator, I think its cause he (dont ask why) grounded the pos terminal on his battery and hooked the negs from one car to the other.    But for now the plxr has been disconnected and going to try the pldata,   now looks like I will have a PLXR laying around that I really dont like that unit after this experience
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Posted: November 29, 2004 at 8:49 PM / IP Logged  
I've said it before and I'll say it again. 2001 Buick regal has VATS not PASSLOCK.
Simple relay and proper resitor to bypass.
Wires you want to tie into are PURPLE / white and WHITE/ black. They are in the main ign junction block, side by side.
VATS is a starter kill system, it cannot shut off the car, just prevent it from cranking.
Shaughn Murley
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Posted: November 30, 2004 at 7:07 PM / IP Logged  
everything I have checked for bypasses, list the 01 buick as passlock, I dont see how it is vats, the key has a chip but the chip has no resistance.   Also in the manual for the vehicle it lists passlock, and the dealership says passlock.....just wondering how you know it is vats?
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Posted: December 05, 2004 at 9:46 PM / IP Logged  
ok, I hooked up the key sense wire, and grounded out the ground when start wire, and I got the ding ding like when the key is in the ign and the door is open...but no start, so tried to hook up the ground when remote start to the blue wire of my relay pack, same thing...here is the real kicker....
when I went to start the car with the key with the key sense wire hooked up, it wouldnt start so I could finish programing the PLXR..I had to disconnect the PLXR from the wiring harness to even get the car to start with the key again.   I am about to say forget it and get a PLDATA and hope that fixes all these issues, The friend I am working on this for is getting a little impatient, so any help would be great!
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Posted: December 06, 2004 at 12:02 AM / IP Logged  
hey jeff, i have seen this car listed as both vats and passlock. i dont believe its either. i believe its the pk3 system, fuel enable. im not sure what the PL equivalent is because i use dei, but the dei piece is a 555g. you said you put the key in the cylinder, and the car would start for like ten minutes, then you would have to repeat the process. what is happening, is that the system is a fuel cutoff, so after you remote start it, with the key, the system is filling with fuel. you can remote start it after because there is still fuel, and can basically keep starting it until the fuel runs out. then you open the fuel cutoff again, by using the key, and the whole process begins again. if you have tried doing this bypass and its not working properly, perhaps you are using the wrong wires because many of the factory wires share these colors. what i noticed, is that the correct wires, after you strip them are silver, so look for that, also make sure the key sense is hooked up, and you switch jumpers to " fuel"  i believe this is causing massive problems, because the fuel is not being delivered, which explains the car just shutting down at 35mph, it basically ran out of gas. chevy ignitions are very sensitive, so if you start dropping the key, which is coomon with the pass lock especially, and you get locked out, just keep the key in the cylinder, with the ign. off for about 5 minutes, that should reset it. def. try the 555g, someone posted it earlier, but seem to have got ignored, he is def right. if the car remote starts fine with the key in the ign. your by pass system is wrong, no debating that, you know. hope this helps
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Posted: December 06, 2004 at 5:53 AM / IP Logged  
The equivelent system for the 555g is the GMBP ( this also acts as the PLDATA but includes PKG4 & PKG5 vehicles ).
Jeff
Velocity Custom Home Theater
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Posted: December 06, 2004 at 4:39 PM / IP Logged  
alright everyone, what is going to be the best possible bypass to order for this?   I need to get it ordered tonight!   
As far as the fuel shut off im not sure about that, the car will remote start and run for as long as you want, but after about 15 to 20 minutes the car wont restart again..The 35 mph thing with the car shuting down was after driving nearly 100 miles with the car just fine!.
I am either going to order the correct pypass for this, I think so far the PLDATA is the best way to go, or say forget it and say forget the remote start and just use the alarm. I really want to RS to work though
Please let me know what is the ultimate of bypasses, and is easiest to work with..I am tired of working on this car!
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